Wow! Was anyone watching FOX news at about 3:30 Eastern? Big accusation against Kerry

[FairOpinion]

It's a lot of work and also I am an HTML illiterate, which is curable, but it would take some time, which would probably time well spent.

I guess what I am getting at is I can't come up with a really good excuse -- I'll take your suggestion under advisement.

[Hon]

"Scott Camil doesn't deny whatsoever that he cooked up the idea. Why would Kerry's campaign invite somebody like that? I'd think they would want to put as much distance as possible from him at least until after the election."

You'd think. But check out this about another person who has been working in Kerry campaigns for YEARS:

Joe Bangert's Testimony Before The Winter Soldiers Investigation [Bangert Is Kerry's Vet Organizer]
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1092905/posts

Kerry's Veteran Organizer Joe Bangert Sang For The Enemy
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1092856/posts

One Of John Kerry's "Band Of Brothers"
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1092936/posts

[dc-zoo]

Wish I could transcribe it but the best I can do is copy to tape from my dish network pvr unit.

[doug from upland]

Okay. Maybe the SUN wasn't one of the sites for which I signed up. I can't remember. I would remember, however, if I led a group that advocated the murder of U.S. senators.

[Maria S]

"You do realize, don't you, that if Kerry gets dumped, we're gonna get stuck with Hillary? Not that I wouldn't like to see him go down, mind you. He certainly deserves to, lying, elitist traitor that he is."

This is kind of lurking in the back of my mind, too! Of course, since we already know how McAuliffe/Clintons/DNC et al work, this whole business about Kerry may have been THEIR doing in the first place! I wouldn't put it past them! Of course, they will deny to their last breaths.

[NormsRevenge]

Let me see what I can do,, I may be able to pull some stuff together.. could just be a straight cut and paste if I keep it simple.

If I do, I can help ya get it on your page,, my page is kind of occupied for now.

html is not as bad as it looks to do some basic stuff with..

[soozla]

AND....I don't believe Lipscomb is someone who's necessarily a friend of the right, making this all that much more interesting.

But recall the radicalism of the 60's and early 70's before Nixon ended the war. Every rabid nut-rod involved in some screwy plot to overthrow the government was making speeches and headlines. Abbey Hoffman advocated that young people KILL anyone over 30, I seem to recall (maybe his book title??).....correct me if I'm wrong.

The problem is that all the anti-war, left wingers have morphed themselves into mainstream society and government...(after all that's where the $$ is....I don't recall many "head shop" owners becoming multi-millionaires). And people like Kerry, Clinton and Hillary el al, figure they can deflect any criticism from those of us who were disgusted by them THEN and are disgusted by them NOW!!

Anyone 45+ (maybe even a little older) who was paying attention to that political climate back then, won't be surprised if this story pans out about Kerry's attendance at meetings where this was discussed. Rush has said this over and over on his show, that's what makes these people so dangerous is their mentality for the direction of the country hasn't changed but their appearance, over the years, has......haven't we ALL??

What will REALLY be fun is to watch Kerry tap dance if this starts to unfold in the mainstream media and other credibles show up with corroborating stories...and I hope to God they DO!!!

[doug from upland]

Nope, this is not the doing of Hillary at this time. She would have waited until just before the convention.

Credit for this goes to Hon for the research and hard work bringing forward this story, and for Lipscomb getting it into print. This is awesome.

[jmstein7]

Look at this load of CRAP posted on LP (regarding our Kerry ads, which seem to be making the rounds):

6. To: Goldi-Lox (#2)

Bad ad, message, and data. The only thing Bush has to hang his hat on as far as the economy is concerned is the dismal tax cut - that's it!

The war on terror is the only issue he has any real chance of winning re-election on. Unless Kerry stumbles between now and November he will win. It's Kerry's election to either win or lose at this point. And no, I do not support Kerry. I will be voting for the Constitution candidate this year.

RickyJ posted on 2004-03-14 01:35:42 ET

[Hon]

"Didn't he say that more than one now working for Kerry were involved?"

There are numerous former (and current) members of the VVAW involved in Kerry's campaign.

John Hurley, is the head of "Veterans For Kerry."

Joe Bangert (who I have put up links to threads about above) is heavily involved.

Randy Barnes, who is one of the people to place Kerry at the meeting, works for Kerry in Missouri.

And there are many many more VVAW members involved.

[FairOpinion]

"I would remember, however, if I led a group that advocated the murder of U.S. senators."

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Kerry learned from the Clintons to have convenient memory lapses about some things.

[Big Horn]

He said more would be written about this next week.

[soozla]

Hon, backhoe, doug from upland, Liz, Gail A, jmstein7 and some others I'm leaving out...(sorry!) have done absolutely REMARKABLE jobs researching/bookmarking many, many, many, many important links and stories, previously UNHEARD of regarding the Kerry crowd (along with other important topics).

I CAN'T THANK YOU GUYS ENOUGH for your time devoted to bringing forth such important information!

[doug from upland]

Hon did absolutely great research on this story and deserves the credit.

[Socratic]

Thanks for both of your comments. Sometimes it's fun to do something just for the fun of it, knowing that nothing will come of it.

[kabar]

The following important article from the October 10, 1996 South Coast Today by an AP writer suggests that Zumwalt wanted to recommend Kerry for the Navy Cross, but "it would take too long":

Kerry assails columnist who questioned war service By Glen Johnson, Associated Press writer

BOSTON -- Stung by a column questioning the circumstances of his greatest war triumph, Sen. John F. Kerry gathered his commanders and crew from Vietnam yesterday to rebuff what several called an assault on his integrity.

Mr. Kerry, visibly angered, recounted how he chased down a Viet Cong soldier in February 1969 and killed him as he was just about to fire a rocket into Mr. Kerry's Swift boat. The action earned him the Silver Star, the country's third highest honor for bravery.

The critical column, however, quoted the boat's forward gunner as saying Sen. Kerry actually finished off the soldier after the gunner wounded him.

Yesterday, the gunner, Tom Belodeau of Dracut, stood beside Sen. Kerry and said he had been misquoted. "This man was not lying on the ground. This man was more than capable of destroying that boat and everybody on it. Sen. Kerry did not give him that opportunity," Mr. Belodeau said.

Mr. Belodeau did concede that he may have wounded the Viet Cong soldier with a burst from his own gun, but he said Sen. Kerry did more than just finish him off. The columnist, an economics writer David Warsh for a Boston newspaper, noted that such a "coup de grace" would have been considered a war crime.

"The soldier that Sen. John Kerry shot was standing on both feet with a loaded rocket launcher, about to fire it on the boat from which (Mr. Kerry) had just left, which still had four men aboard," Mr. Belodeau said.

The Democrat also describes it as a defining period in his life, since he came home opposed to the war and began his public life as co-founder of Vietnam Veterans Against the War.

The most celebrated moment came on Feb. 28, 1969. A three-boat flotilla Mr. Kerry was commanding on a river in South Vietnam came under fire and Sen. Kerry took his boat directly into it. By the end, a Viet Cong soldier was dead and Sen. Kerry was carrying an enemy rocket launcher with a rocket still loaded in the chamber.

In the column, Mr. Warsh quotes Mr. Belodeau as saying in the course of their interview, "You know, I shot that guy. ... When I hit him, he went down and got up again. When Kerry hit him, he stayed down." Gov. Weld received educational and medical deferments from serving in Vietnam, something Sen. Kerry has never directly challenged. But Mr. Kerry was clearly insulted over having a segment of his service questioned.

Sen. Kerry's staff arranged a news conference at the Courageous Sailing Center in the Charlestown Navy Yard. It also flew in several people who attested to Sen. Kerry's character and his version of events.

They were retired Admiral E.R. Zumwalt Jr., who commanded U.S. naval forces in Vietnam; retired Capt. George Elliott, Kerry's commander at the time of the shooting; retired Cmdr. Adrian Longsdale, who commanded shoreline operations at the time; and Mr. Belodeau, an electrician who is currently working in Michigan.

Also participating by phone from San Francisco was Michael Medeiros, who was the rear gunner on the Swift boat. Tom Vallely, a former Marine and Sen. Kerry's close friend, introduced each speaker.

Mr. Zumwalt, with two Navy ships and the USS Constitution anchored over his shoulder, said he remembered only two such incidents from Vietnam and one of them was Sen. Kerry's.

Mr. Zumwalt also said he wanted to recommend Sen. Kerry for an even higher medal, the Navy Cross, but approval would have taken too long. Instead, he personally approved a Silver Star and sped along the award to improve morale at a time his sailors were taking heavy casualties.

"To me it was such a terrible insult, such an absolutely outrageous misinterpretation of the facts, that I felt it was important to be here," Mr. Zumwalt said. "A wartime commander has a lifetime responsibility to look out for the guys under him." ,

Mr. Medeiros, who was chasing after Sen. Kerry and the fleeing soldier, said he did not see Sen. Kerry kill him but had no doubt that the senator did so.

"The only one that was there was Senator Kerry," he said.

Sen. Kerry said his reaction to the column had nothing to do with the latest poll findings.

"This is not about Bill Weld," he said. "This is about my honor, this is about the honor of my crew and this is about the honor of those who served. ... This is just wrong. This is not the way to conduct American politics."

[Congressman Billybob]

You saw correctly. The story was, according to either two or three witnesses, that Kerry attended a meeting of VVAW and others at which the assassination of seven pro-war Senators was discussed and voted on. Kerry opposed the motion, which was voted down.

The Kerry camp claims that he "resigned" from the group two days before this subject was discussed, but can produce no letter of resignation. The person at that meeting who most vigorously supported the assassination plan is now an assistant to Kerry in his campaign.

You would think that a current Senator who had previously been involved in discussing whether Senators (then) should be assassinations, would have reported the event at some time, and sought distance from that idea. Oh, but the current Senator is John Kerry.

Ne-VER-mind.

Congressman Billybob

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[kabar]

And there are many many more VVAW members involved.

This is the real story. The point is that Kerry's real "band of brothers" are the collection of malcontents and phonies from the VVAW. Once the spotlight focusses on these creeps, Kerry will have a lot of 'splaining to do.

[GailA]

There is to be ANOTHER article tomorrow by Mr Lipscomb. Please PING me to it when it is posted. I'm going out of town for Mon & Tue. want to make sure I get it and am able to send it on to those on my email list...2 talk host in TN for one.

[Cboldt]

... if Kerry gets dumped, we're gonna get stuck with Hillary? Not that I wouldn't like to see him go down, mind you.

It's easy to get sucked into battling a person, Kerry, Hillary! Bubba, Dean. But the battle transcends persons. At this point, my opinion is that people who support conservative principles are marshalled in sufficient strength to beat Hillary!, so "Bring It ON!"

But beating Kerry (easy) or Hillary! (not so easy) does not represent the end of struggle.