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Almost a century ago James developed the dualism of "tender-minded (basically compassionate) and tough-minded (basically results oriented). This proved to easily factored out of most personality tests and today is found in the 16 PF Personality Test.

Seemingly, we re-discover things all the time. I would hope Baron-Cohen and Pinker could both give some credit where credit is due. This is one danger of claims that sexual differences not only exist but are operant in autism. Tough vs Tender minded has a large literature with considerable empirical support. Ignoring what has been done seems to be both dishonest and ignorant.

The other danger I see, is to replicate the problem that Bruno Bettleheim caused when he theorized that autistic children had been raised by cold mothers --eventually called "schizophrenogenic mothers." This proved false, but caused unbelievable pain in families with an autistic child. Raising false hopes is bad enough but sometimes we also falsely blame the innocent in so doing.

Caution would seem to be the watchword. It is nice the psychologists have re-discovered something from a 100 years ago and also re-discovered women and men are different, but extrapolating from this to an etiology for autism seems far fetched to me.

1 posted on 03/14/2004 8:29:45 AM PST by shrinkermd
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To: shrinkermd
Bump for later read -- this looks very interesting.

Some people have claimed men and women are basically the same, except for the effects of environmental conditioning. It's one of those ideas that's so stupid, only a liberal "intellectual" could believe it.

Now that the idea has finally fallen away, it may open new doors for productive research.
2 posted on 03/14/2004 8:46:31 AM PST by 68skylark
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To: shrinkermd
It's interesting, and THANK you for posting it.

I'm not sure I buy it. My daughter Caitlin is mildly autistic and is highly funtioning. While she shares many common autistic traits, ( repetetive behavior, social and language problems, no imitative play, emotional delay) she is one of the most compassionate people you will ever meet.

While she is often CLUELESS socially around peers, she is tender and kind to anyone or anything she sees hurting or sad, and she will go to huge lengths to try and help or comfort. She has a gentle touch with animals, and can often relate to THEM better than she does to people.




3 posted on 03/14/2004 8:47:17 AM PST by tiamat ("Just a Bronze-Age Gal, Trapped in a Techno World!")
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To: shrinkermd
These are going to be very hot topics over the next few decades, given the rapidly increasing ability to tease out the genetic and developmental basis that seems to underlie much (perhaps the majority) of the expression of "personality traits".

One thing I’d note is that this society (like most human societies) tend to *very* highly reward the extreme outliers along many continuums which clearly have a strong generic and developmental component, for examples professional athletes and classical musicians.
4 posted on 03/14/2004 8:54:27 AM PST by M. Dodge Thomas (More of the same, only with more zeros on the end.)
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To: shrinkermd
"Based on their study of thousands of samples of amniotic fluid, Mr. Baron-Cohen and his colleagues at the autism center have documented that children who experienced high-prenatal testosterone levels make less eye contact as toddlers and have lower communication skills at age 4, though he admits the evidence for any relationship between fetal testosterone and autism has yet to be established."

?? Hmmmm.............so he's just throwing this out there?
5 posted on 03/14/2004 8:56:40 AM PST by nuconvert (CAUTION: I'm an acquaintance of someone labelled :"an obstinate supporter of dangerous fantasies")
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To: shrinkermd
and a propensity for repetitive, frequently obsessional behavior,

Does hitting refresh repeatedly when on the FreeRepublic latest threads page count?

7 posted on 03/14/2004 11:01:28 AM PST by KarlInOhio (Bill Clinton is the Neville Chamberlain of the War on Terror.)
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To: shrinkermd
Isn't testosterone poisoning a "marthaburk" feminst studies argument? All testosterone is eeeevil.

I bet they will also rediscover phrenology. (bump on head science)
10 posted on 03/14/2004 12:24:04 PM PST by longtermmemmory (Vote!)
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To: shrinkermd
Although the psychologist had already drawn many of its conclusions as long ago as the late 1990s, he sat on them until now, he says, because for a long time the American cultural climate, in particular, did not seem quite ready for a gender-based theory of autism.

This makes me wonder how many other scientists are supressing their research results because they're worried about the fallout from PC libs.

19 posted on 03/14/2004 2:14:02 PM PST by 68skylark
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Are any of you familiar with the book "You Just Don't Understand" by Deborah Tannen? To me, I think that's the single best book I've ever read about personalities, and male-female differences. I'm just wondering if anyone else has a reaction to it.
20 posted on 03/14/2004 2:19:45 PM PST by 68skylark
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To: shrinkermd
Some parents of autists have charged that mercury-containing vaccines caused their children's disorder.

This is the reason for the skyrocketing increase in autism. Babies whose system cannot excrete the mercury normally are at high risk of autism. Why any "doctor" would inject mercury, a deadly neurotoxin, into an infant, is beyond me.

24 posted on 03/14/2004 2:35:04 PM PST by Trickyguy
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...the problem that Bruno Bettleheim caused when he theorized that autistic children had been raised by cold mothers --eventually called "schizophrenogenic mothers."

Several decades ago I was told by a professor of special ed, that mothers of autistic children had erected a statue of Bruno Bettleheim and met beneath it to feed the pigeons. (I have trouble with the humor impaired, so I think I better label this as a joke.)

A lot of people think there is a hereditary component here. It is possible that Bettleheim simple saw some cold mothers and misinterpreted the cause. If autism occurs as the extreme end of a natural continuum, then people should be careful not to marry people with the same extreme traits.

I'm not convinced that empathy is the key to this. There is a female autistic architect and writer who asserts that her autism manifests as an exaggerated, overwhelming empathy. (For animals, not people, however.)

38 posted on 03/14/2004 3:30:11 PM PST by js1138
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