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Christian Attitudes: A Bird's-Eye View [Toward Israel]
Arutz Sheva ^ | 3-14-04 | Paul C. Merkley

Posted on 03/14/2004 6:04:18 AM PST by SJackson

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1 posted on 03/14/2004 6:04:18 AM PST by SJackson
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To: dennisw; Cachelot; Yehuda; Nix 2; veronica; Catspaw; knighthawk; Alouette; Optimist; weikel; ...
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2 posted on 03/14/2004 6:05:26 AM PST by SJackson (The Passion: Where were all the palestinians?)
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To: SJackson
All i know is that my love and respect for the jews has grown in unison with my christian spirituality, not in spite of it.

Men like Abe Foxman play a dangerous game in standing with the left to attack the right.
3 posted on 03/14/2004 6:11:52 AM PST by cripplecreek (you tell em i'm commin.... and hells commin with me.)
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To: SJackson; yonif; Simcha7; American in Israel; spectacularbid2003; Binyamin; Taiwan Bocks; ...
"This is because, for Christian Zionists, the case for the Restoration of the Jews in the first place, even though it was manifestly defensible in terms of "justice", actually stood upon a firmer ground: namely, that it was ordained by Scripture. To have resisted it would have been sin and, in any case, would be futile...."

Yep.

Great article to read on an early Sunday morning.  !




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4 posted on 03/14/2004 6:26:34 AM PST by Salem (FREE REPUBLIC - Fighting to win within the Arena of the War of Ideas! So get in the fight!)
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To: SJackson
"This is because, for Christian Zionists, the case for the Restoration of the Jews in the first place, even though it was manifestly defensible in terms of "justice", actually stood upon a firmer ground: namely, that it was ordained by Scripture. To have resisted it would have been sin and, in any case, would be futile. To support it, brought blessing: "He who blesses thee, I will bless; he who curses thee, I will curse." (Genesis 12:3)"


Interesting, what?

5 posted on 03/14/2004 6:32:46 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: Salem
Yeppers. At long last, a non-Christian understands Christian Zionists.
6 posted on 03/14/2004 6:43:33 AM PST by xJones
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To: SJackson
but no conscientious friend of Israel claims that nobody on the other side is suffering some degree of injustice because of it.

Hello? Mr. Merkley?!

Hinayni! (=Here I am.)

What injustice does any Arab citizen of Israel suffer? What right does any of them lack (except the right to kill Jews at their whim)? There may have been suffering among many Arabs who lived in Palestine in 1948 but this was not due to any injustice but rather to their own miscalculation.

ML/NJ

7 posted on 03/14/2004 6:44:17 AM PST by ml/nj
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To: xJones
"Yeppers. At long last, a non-Christian understands Christian Zionists."


I have a different opinion, had Mel's movie been successfully sent to the pit this article would never been written.
8 posted on 03/14/2004 6:47:23 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: Just mythoughts
Perhaps, but "hope springs eternal" and that kind of stuff.:)
9 posted on 03/14/2004 6:53:15 AM PST by xJones
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To: xJones
Actually, TRUTH springs eternal!
10 posted on 03/14/2004 6:55:18 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: SJackson
BTTT...
11 posted on 03/14/2004 6:59:16 AM PST by veronica ("America will never seek a permission slip to defend the security of our people." GW Bush 1-20-04)
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To: xJones
Yeppers. At long last, a non-Christian understands Christian Zionists.

What you said! I think Merkley's Lutheran :>)

A couple related articles for whoever's interested. PAUL MERKLEY'S 'CHRISTIAN ATITUDES TOWARDS THE STATE OF ISRAEL'

WATER FROM A HARD PLACE

PAUL C. MERKLEY: CHRISTIAN ATTITUDES TOWARDS THE STATE OF ISRAEL

12 posted on 03/14/2004 7:03:45 AM PST by SJackson (The Passion: Where were all the palestinians?)
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To: Just mythoughts
I have a different opinion, had Mel's movie been successfully sent to the pit this article would never been written.

Unlikely, he's written several books and articles on the topic predating the movie.

13 posted on 03/14/2004 7:05:08 AM PST by SJackson (The Passion: Where were all the palestinians?)
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To: SJackson
Lutheran?! Aaaarrrrggghhhh, I hate it when I make wrong assumptions! :D
14 posted on 03/14/2004 7:05:19 AM PST by xJones
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To: SJackson
"I have a different opinion, had Mel's movie been successfully sent to the pit this article would never been written.
Unlikely, he's written several books and articles on the topic predating the movie."


Interesting!
15 posted on 03/14/2004 7:11:14 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: SJackson
"...the thought that Israel has a doubtful right to exist"
This is the crux of the sound basis of American Christian support for Israel--the fact that her critics even question her right to exist--and that her enemies are intent on her annihilation. This is unthinkable to the mind of the Heartland American Christian--just as it would be unthinkable to question the ligitimacy and advocate the annihilation of any other nation--China, for example, or Venezuela, or Switzerland, or India, or France, et al.
"Jews hear leading voices of the official churches announcing that the decision to permit Israel to come to birth in the first place was 'unjust' and should be reconsidered."
And this follows logically: It is too late for reconsideration--Israel already exists--even if the decision was "unjust" in the first place, which grassroots Christians doubt.

It would make about as much sense to announce that the decision to permit Mexico, for example, or the Netherlands, or Morocco, or Sweden to come to birth in the first place was "unjust" and should be reconsidered.

And Israel was created and its creation sanctioned by the United Nations and the majority of the nations of the world, acting in concert. Most nations in existence do not have that much ligitimacy.

And furthermore, if the existence of Israel should be reconsidered, then so should the existence of all other nations--including the US, Canada, and Argentina, where Western Europeans displaced Indians from the lands (and who knows whom the Indians had displaced or which Indians had displace which other Indians?)--including Egypt, where Arabs displaced Copts--Japan, where the Ainu were displaced-- In fact, all nations have resulted from the displacement of some people by others, either historically or prehistorically.

16 posted on 03/14/2004 7:37:24 AM PST by Savage Beast ("Vote Democrat!" ~Osama bin Laden)
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To: SJackson; Salem; dennisw; Geist Krieger; Dubya
Israel is the Apple of God's Eye.

Israel has become a nation - The Fig Tree has bloomed. .

Gospel of Matthew, Chapter 24:

32"Now learn this lesson from the fig tree: As soon as its twigs get tender and its leaves come out, you know that summer is near. 33Even so, when you see all these things, you know that it[4] is near, right at the door. 34I tell you the truth, this generation[5] will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened. 35Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.

The Day and Hour Unknown

36"No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son,[6] but only the Father. 37As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 38For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark; 39and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man.

The Figs of Israel

17 posted on 03/14/2004 7:40:56 AM PST by Happy2BMe (U.S.A. - - United We Stand - - Divided We Fall - - Support Our Troops - - Vote BUSH)
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To: SJackson
There was an interesting discussion last night on C-span, notably between Phyllis Chesler and Max Wallace.

Phyllis is sensible and articulate, and she is open to the challenge of her ideas.

Max Wallace is bonkers. His thinking is seriously clouded by what appears to be a large cluster of blind spots, distorting his mental processes like black holes twisting light and gravity into fantastic tangles. When his aberrant points are challenged, to his credit, he can bring himself to acknowledge the truth, but immediately his thinking springs back to its prechallenged absurdity, as though the gravitational attraction of the black holes in his thinking were too enormous to resist.

This is all I know about Max or Phyllis. I wish them both well, but these are my impressions.

18 posted on 03/14/2004 7:54:43 AM PST by Savage Beast ("Vote Democrat!" ~Osama bin Laden)
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To: ml/nj
I heard that a poll was recently taken of Palestinians living in Israel. It appears that an overwhelming number prefeer living in Israel(even without full rights) than living under the PA.
19 posted on 03/14/2004 8:04:10 AM PST by Valin (Hating people is like burning down your house to kill a rat)
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To: Savage Beast
Do you have a link?
20 posted on 03/14/2004 8:05:02 AM PST by Valin (Hating people is like burning down your house to kill a rat)
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