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Kerry ran from the enemy, claims former Vietnam crewman of Democrat candidate
Telegraph (UK) ^ | 14/03/2004 | Julian Coman

Posted on 03/13/2004 4:53:10 PM PST by veronica

John Kerry, the Democratic challenger for the White House, is embroiled in fresh controversy over his much-vaunted Vietnam war record, after one of his crew members accused him of cowardice and making strategic mistakes in battle.

The testimony of Steven Gardner, a gunner's mate on the first patrol boat commanded by Mr Kerry in the Mekong delta, contradicts accounts of the senator's military career that depict him as a brave and aggressive lieutenant who won three Purple Hearts and which are a key element of his campaign against George Bush.

"He absolutely did not want to engage the enemy when I was with him," Mr Gardner said in an interview with the Boston Globe, which contacted him about the presidential candidate. "He wouldn't go in there and search. That is why I have a negative viewpoint of John Kerry.

"His initial patterns of behaviour when I met him and served under him were of somebody who ran from the enemy, rather than engaged it."

Mr Gardner has refused to join the tight-knit group of Vietnam veterans who are passionately supporters of their former comrade's White House bid.

His portrayal of a timid Lt Kerry is at odds with the accounts of other crew members, and Sen Kerry is said to be "angry" about the slur.

John Hurley, the national director of Vietnam Veterans for Kerry, told the Telegraph: "John was shocked by this. Gardner said that John used to take the boat four or five miles offshore 'every single night' so that it would be out of harm's way. John doesn't remember that and neither does the rest of the crew. They all think he's way off base."

In his Boston Globe interview, Mr Gardner also recalled an incident in 1968 in which he was slightly wounded, causing Sen Kerry to abort the boat's mission. "I said: 'Lt Kerry, I'm fine, nothing's wrong. I got a little flesh wound here.' But Kerry was already backing out of the canal, getting ready to run for it," he said.

Relations between the two men reached their low point after a Vietnamese boy was killed in an encounter with a fishing boat. The Kerry crew opened fire believing their craft was under attack. According to Mr Gardner, Lt Kerry blamed him for the tragedy.

"Kerry threatened me with a court-martial, screaming: 'What the hell do you think you're doing?' " said Mr Gardner. "Thankfully the whole crew verified there were weapons being shot at us. That was the end of it."

Sen Kerry described Mr Gardner's version of events as "made up".

"It's sad," he told his biographer, Douglas Brinkley, "but that's the way it goes in war, and especially in politics," a reference to Mr Gardner's apparently Republican sympathies.

"I've spent hours on the phone to him [Gardner]," said Mr Hurley. "But he won't back down on his story, even though the crew disagree with him."

Mr Brinkley, who interviewed Mr Gardner for an hour last week, said afterwards: "It essentially boils down to one word: politics. Gardner is sickened by the idea of Kerry as president."

An angry Mr Gardner, however, insisted: "I never made the first call to anyone. Until someone called me, I kept it all to myself."


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2004; kerry; militaryrecord; stephengardner; stevengardner; vietnamwar
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1 posted on 03/13/2004 4:53:11 PM PST by veronica
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To: dennisw; SJackson; Brian Allen; quidnunc; dighton; kattracks; Catspaw; Alouette; hchutch; yonif; ...
FYI...
2 posted on 03/13/2004 4:54:50 PM PST by veronica ("America will never seek a permission slip to defend the security of our people." GW Bush 1-20-04)
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To: veronica
Thanks for your service, Mr. Gardner, but watch your six.
3 posted on 03/13/2004 4:55:45 PM PST by Fitzcarraldo
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To: veronica
Looks like Rat Brinkley is seeing his kissy-poo portrait of Kerry go down in flames...
4 posted on 03/13/2004 4:56:32 PM PST by ambrose ("John Kerry has blood of American soldiers on his hands" - Lt. Col. Oliver North)
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To: veronica
Maybe this guy knows about the medals.

For a blowhard that brags his a$$ off every chance he gets about being in VN, you'd think Jf'nK would be hell bent to let everyone know how he came by those medals...hmmmmmmmm?

5 posted on 03/13/2004 4:57:01 PM PST by evad (Cut taxes again. Cut spending. Cut Guv Regulations. Cut Guv Programs...Repeat)
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To: veronica
Whether true or not, there is little that can be gained from this.
6 posted on 03/13/2004 4:57:56 PM PST by squidly (I have always felt that a politician is to be judged by the animosity he excites among his opponents)
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To: Fitzcarraldo
Guys, do not go down this road. This is not a winning path to walk. This is not where the focus groups say Bush is strongest. Kerry has been in many political campaigns and a lot of opposition research has already been done on him. There is no throwable dirt of this kind out there or it would already have been thrown.

He's a liberal extremist interested in raising taxes and weak on defending the country from terror. That is where there is hay to be made.
7 posted on 03/13/2004 4:58:10 PM PST by Owen
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To: squidly
I disagree. Let the facts come out.
8 posted on 03/13/2004 4:59:06 PM PST by veronica ("America will never seek a permission slip to defend the security of our people." GW Bush 1-20-04)
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To: evad
Yep
9 posted on 03/13/2004 4:59:29 PM PST by MarkeyD (<a href="http://www.johnkerry.com/about/">Three Paper Cuts and I'm Out</a>)
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To: Fitzcarraldo
Thanks for your service, Mr. Gardner, but watch your six.

Too late, I think. I heard Mr. Gardner was fired from his job just hours after making his statement.

10 posted on 03/13/2004 4:59:55 PM PST by DonaldDuke
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To: veronica
Kerry should release his military records. Why did he only serve 4 months? And what is the truth about his summary executions of wounded enemy and his killings of civilians? Were his rampages documented? Release the records now.
11 posted on 03/13/2004 5:02:18 PM PST by jimbo123
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To: veronica
In my humble opinion, anyone that received 3 purple hearts and never even missed one full duty day, is full of it.

Sounds as if this guy is one that couldn't be bought to me. I am hesitant to accuse the other members of the crew of selling out, but i am also hesitant to discount this guy's version either.
12 posted on 03/13/2004 5:03:24 PM PST by cajun-jack
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To: All
Harvard Crimson Online

Published on Wednesday, February 18, 1970
John Kerry: A Navy Dove Runs for Congress

By SAMUEL Z. GOLDHABER
Crimson Staff Writer

One time Kerry was ordered to destroy a Viet Cong village but disobeyed orders and suggested that the Navy Command simply send in a Psychological Warfare team to be friend the villagers with food, hospital supplies, and better educational facilities.

Source

13 posted on 03/13/2004 5:04:36 PM PST by Hon
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Why did he only serve 4 months?...

I heard a Vietnam Vet Against Kerry on Hannity's radio show. The guy said there is a way to get Purple Hearts without getting badly hurt, and after you get a certain number you are honorably discharged. He implied that is what Kerry did.

14 posted on 03/13/2004 5:04:53 PM PST by veronica ("America will never seek a permission slip to defend the security of our people." GW Bush 1-20-04)
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To: veronica; dennisw; SJackson; Brian Allen; quidnunc; dighton; kattracks; Catspaw; Alouette; ...
In the shape this report is in right now, it only helps Kerry. We either have to come up with official after action reports, Kerry's Fitness Reports, or other factual stuff ... or drop it.

From a tactical point of view, Kerry's pre-emptive strike on GWB's record was diabolically clever. Concentrate on what Kerry did after he returned from VietNam, and let the war record straighten itself out.

Kerry is no fool. JFK's war record was one of carelessness, jeopardy of security, and ineptitude. So what. He is a hero.

Kerry has, rather brilliantly and shabbily, successfully staked out the same line of country.

15 posted on 03/13/2004 5:05:44 PM PST by Kenny Bunk
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To: cajun-jack
In my humble opinion, anyone that received 3 purple hearts and never even missed one full duty day, is full of it.

Please note my last post.

16 posted on 03/13/2004 5:06:07 PM PST by veronica ("America will never seek a permission slip to defend the security of our people." GW Bush 1-20-04)
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To: All
Please see:

Kerry Propagandist Brinkley Lies About Unanimity Of Kerry's Crewmen

17 posted on 03/13/2004 5:06:20 PM PST by Hon
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To: veronica
"Kerry ran from the enemy".

Weird, he seems to be running to Osama bin Laden just fine these days (sarcasm?).

18 posted on 03/13/2004 5:07:05 PM PST by Darheel (Visit the strange and wonderful.)
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To: veronica
Kerry's awards are fake. He never won any of them and made them up after the war. He got out of Nam after his summer vacation because of some other reason. Proof of this is found in the fact that he has refused to release his military records, the very records he brags about.

Why does he refuse? Because they would prove that he is and has been lying about his service in Nam. Of course, if he ever does release records, they will probably look like one of an ilegal Mexican alien's fake IDs.

Why are his records not already part of the public record? Is is that the Mass. voters don't care that Kerry is lying because they expect that of a dem?

19 posted on 03/13/2004 5:07:22 PM PST by Tacis
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To: veronica
Let the facts come out.

There are no facts, only opinions. Even whatever might be in his service record is opinion. There will be spin both ways. People will believe what they want to believe.

20 posted on 03/13/2004 5:08:49 PM PST by squidly (I have always felt that a politician is to be judged by the animosity he excites among his opponents)
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