My e-Correspondence With Accused Spy Susan Lindauer's Friend/Chucky [He Defends Her]

I'd say sad government that goes after a peace advocate and let's bin Laden run free for 2 years. Was bin Laden responsible for the attack in Spain? If so, is Bush responsible for choosing to ignor bin Laden so he could attack Iraq?

What does Osama Bin Laden have to do with some guy robbing a bank in Debuke? The same thing he has to do with your friend's current problems....nada.

It appears she sold out her country...I am not concerned with the apparently warped reasoning involved.

The indictment reads that she met with undercover FBI officials who were posing as Libyans attempting to gain funding for Terrorist groups opposing our troops inside Iraq.

We could let Bin Laden roll down Central Park Boulevard buttnaked on rollerblades and it wouldn't have a thing to do with a traitor attempting to enable/assist the murder of US Soldiers.

As someone involved with the safety and security of Washington DC, many of us are worried about Bin Laden and al Qaeda, and would feel much more secure if he was in custody rather than Lindauer. And I can guarantee you the families of the 9/11 victims feel the same.

Once again...you're apparent inability to separate reality from dogma... Our military account with Bin Laden is separate from the civilian one your friend opened up. If I go out tomorrow and carjack a Buick are you gonna perform contortions in order to relate that to Osama Bin Laden and the current Military operations in Afghanistan?

One has zero to do with the other...typical though... In today's climate it has become so easy to digest obfuscation...your willingness to point to unrelated matters of War as an excuse for your friend's treason.

Regardless, she'll either sellout again and flip [Like people without a real foundation or character tend to do] or she'll personally pay for her apparent willingness to enable the murder of US soldiers.

The issue is terrorism. The perpetrator is bin Laden. Bush has finally begun moving resources from Iraq to Afghanistan to get the villain.

As for Lindeuar, her arrest is going to do about as much for stopping terrorism as getting Martha is going to do to make our money safe from the crooks on Wall Street. Doesn't it scare you that a US citizen was arrested for "attempting to influence US policy," that is stop the war on Iraq? Millions of Americans tried to do the same thing, including many members of Congress. What's most bizarre is that the method was delivering a letter to her cousin!

The 11 count indictment [pertaining to her] handed down by a grand jury made up of US citizens to US Attorney David N. Kelley reads as follows:

COUNT ONE Conspiracy to Act as Unregistered Agents of a Foreign Government The Grand Jury charges:

1. From in or about October 1999, up to and including in or about February 2004, in the Southern District of New York and elsewhere, SUSAN LINDAUER, a/k/a “Symbol SUSAN,” and others known and unknown, unlawfully, willfully and knowingly, did combine, conspire, confederate, and agree together and with each other to commit an offense against the United States, to wit, to violate Section 951 of Title 18, United States Code. 2. It was a part and an object of the conspiracy that SUSAN LINDAUER, a/k/a “Symbol SUSAN,” and others known and unknown, unlawfully, willfully and knowingly, would and did act in the United States as agents of a foreign government, specifically the Government of Iraq, without prior notification to the Attorney General, as required by law, in violation of Title 18, United States Code, Section 951.

a. On or about October 14, 1999, SUSAN LINDAUER, a/k/a “Symbol SUSAN,” met with an officer of the Iraqi Intelligence Service (“IIS”) in Manhattan. b. On or about September 19, 2001, SUSAN LINDAUER, a/k/a “Symbol SUSAN,” met with an officer of the IIS in Manhattan. c. In or about October 2001, SUSAN LINDAUER, a/k/a “Symbol SUSAN,” accepted a task given to her in Manhattan by an officer of the IIS. In or about 2001 h. In or about January 2002, SUSAN LINDAUER, a/k/a “Symbol SUSAN,” met in Manhattan with an officer of the IIS and accepted payment from the IIS for travel, lodging, and meal expenses in the amount of $232.77. i. On or about February 4, 2002, SUSAN LINDAUER, a/k/a “Symbol SUSAN,” met in Manhattan with an officer of the IIS and accepted payment from the IIS for travel, lodging, and meal expenses in the amount of $311.10. j. On or about February 18, 2002, SUSAN LINDAUER, a/k/a “Symbol SUSAN,” met in Manhattan with an officer of the IIS and accepted payment from the IIS for travel and lodging expenses in the amount of $270.00. k. From on or about February 23, 2002 through on or about March 7, 2002, SUSAN LINDAUER, a/k/a “Symbol SUSAN,” traveled to Baghdad, Iraq, through Jordan, as a guest of the IIS. l. From on or about February 23, 2002 through March 7, 2002, SUSAN LINDAUER, a/k/a “Symbol SUSAN,” met with several IIS officers in Iraq, including at the Al-Rashid Hotel in Baghdad, and received cash payments of approximately $5,000.00. m. On or about March 8, 2002, SUSAN LINDAUER, a/k/a “Symbol SUSAN,” met in Manhattan upon her return from Iraq with an officer of the IIS and accepted payment from the IIS for lodging and meal expenses in the amount of $200.00. n. On or about January 8, 2003, SUSAN LINDAUER, a/k/a “Symbol SUSAN,” delivered, to the home of an United States Government official, a letter in which LINDAUER conveyed her established access to, and contacts with, members of the Saddam Hussein regime, in an unsuccessful attempt to influence United States foreign policy. o. On or about June 23, 2003, SUSAN LINDAUER, a/k/a “Symbol SUSAN,” met in Baltimore, Maryland, with a special agent of the Federal Bureau of Investigation (“FBI”) acting in an undercover capacity as a member of the Libyan intelligence service seeking to support resistance groups in post-war Iraq (the “UC”), and discussed the need for plans and foreign resources to support these groups operating within Iraq. p. On or about July 17, 2003, SUSAN LINDAUER, a/k/a “Symbol SUSAN,” met in Baltimore, Maryland, with the UC and discussed the need for plans and foreign resources to support resistance groups operating within Iraq. q. On or about August 6, 2003, SUSAN LINDAUER, a/k/a “Symbol SUSAN,” pursuant to instructions received from the UC, left documents in a designated location in Takoma Park, Maryland. r. On or about August 21, 2003, SUSAN LINDAUER, a/k/a “Symbol SUSAN,” pursuant to instructions received from the UC, left documents in a designated location in Takoma Park, Maryland. s. From in or about June 2003, up to and including in or about February 2004, SUSAN LINDAUER, a/k/a “Symbol SUSAN,” regularly communicated via email with the UC. (Title 18, United States Code, Section 371.)

Acting as an Unregistered Agent of a Foreign Government The Grand Jury further charges: 4. From in or about October 1999, up to and including in or about February 2004, in the Southern District of New York and elsewhere, SUSAN LINDAUER, a/k/a “Symbol SUSAN,” the defendant, unlawfully and knowingly acted in the United States as an agent of a foreign government, specifically the Government of Iraq, without prior notification to the Attorney General, as required by law. (Title 18, United States Code, Section 951.)

7. In or about February and March 2002, in the Southern District of New York and elsewhere, SUSAN LINDAUER, a/k/a “Symbol SUSAN,” being a United States person, and knowing and having reasonable cause to know that Iraq was a country designated under section 6(j) of the Export Administration Act of 1979 as a country supporting international terrorism, did unlawfully and knowingly engage in a financial transaction with the government of that country without complying with the licensing and authorization requirements of the Iraqi Sanction Regulations, to wit, LINDAUER received United States currency in the amount of approximately $10,000 from the IIS, an agency of the Government of Iraq, as payment for performing various services and activities on behalf of the IIS, including traveling to Baghdad, Iraq, and transported some of those funds from Iraq to the United States. (Title 18, United States Code, Section 2332d and 2.)

Your desire to cloud the issue is readily apparent but US Citizens handed down that indictment....not some rogue element of the Government.

As to terrorism in general and our government's response to it [which you attempt to serve as an excuse for your friends action]....I have no problems. I wish you and your friends newfound zeal for counter-terrorism had blossomed a decade ago...perhaps we could've avoided September 11th altogether. As to Iraq. Hussein's flaunting of all the UN resolutions, murder of Iraqi citizens and funding of Palestinian terrorists, firing on US aircraft etc, etc...the issue would've remained regardless of 9/11. I didn't read where anyone responsible for our nations counter-terrorism made the claim that the arrest of your friend would impact their jobs....I am not certain from where you divined the link.

What could scare me [If I were a coward] is your inability [more likely unwillingness] to acknowledge that your friend...acting as an agent of the Saddam's Iraqi Intelligence [oxymoron] attempted to influence US foreign policy...and by default broke the law.

I think the case will revolve around whether she knew she was dealing with Iraqi spys. By the fact that they were spys, whose job is to not let people know they are spys, and that they were in NYC working at the UN, makes one wonder if she could have known. Surely she did not know the FBI UC were FBI.

Remember, she is from a community that voted itself a "nuclear free zone," and was probably far from the most liberal resident of Tacoma Park.

She traveled to Iraq and met with Iraqi ISI officers....who gave her $10,000.00 She in turn wrote the letter to her cousin [Card] and explained that she had contacts within the Iraqi government....spies or not...she knew she was dealing directly with Saddam. She then met with what she believed to be Libyan's organization terrorists inside of Iraq/fighting US Soldiers.

I'd venture a guess that we found out about her activity after going through Iraqi ISI Documents and interviewing some of them after defeating Iraq....connected the dots between her activity and the letter. Then to nail her coffin shut we set her up with what she believed to be representatives supporting anti-coolition violence inside of Iraq....she took the bait and then we dropped the book on her.

I don't believe she has been charged with supporting violence in Iraq, or they would have thrown the book at her (and rightfully so). Remember, she is a peace activist. Many "set her up" cases fail in court, for exactly that reason.

Susan Lindauer, a former journalist, Capitol Hill staffer, and self styled peace activist has been indicted for “an unsuccessful attempt to influence United States foreign policy.” Her specific crime was trying to deliver a letter to her second cousin, White House chief of Staff Andrew Card, which argued that the Bush administration should let the U.N. weapons inspectors finish their job before launching a war on Iraq. Ironically, millions of Americans from around the country were marching in the streets and writing letters to try to get President Bush to do just that.

Too bad she didn’t succeed. If she had 560 Americans and 10,000 innocent Iraqi civilians would be alive today, America would be $200 billion dollars richer, and Iraq would still be no threat since they didn’t have any weapons of mass destruction.

While Lindauer was also charged with acting as an unregistered agent of Iraq and unlawfully accepting around $10,000, she was not charged with espionage or terrorism. This reminds me of the witch hunt to get Martha Stewart, who ended up being convicted of lying while being investigated for securities fraud, a crime for which she was never charged.

The Bush administration just doesn’t get it. Arresting Susan Lindauer is going to do about as much to keep America safe from terrorists as arresting Martha Stewart did to keep our money safe from the crooks on Wall Street and in the corporate executive offices of companies like WorldCom and Enron. It’s people like Osama bin Laden, Ken Lay, and Bernie Ebbers who need to be in jail, not Susan and Martha.

You said: "I don't believe she has been charged with supporting violence in Iraq, or they would have thrown the book at her (and rightfully so)."

I did not say she was charged with that....another phantom statement you grab out of nowhere? With relation to your comment, she is charged on Count One Section O. Susan Lindauer met in Baltimore, Maryland, with a special agent of the Federal Bureau of Investigation (“FBI”) acting in an undercover capacity as a member of the Libyan intelligence service seeking to support resistance groups in post-war Iraq (the “UC”), and discussed the need for plans and foreign resources to support these groups operating within Iraq. And Section P.Susan Lindauer met in Baltimore, Maryland, with the undercover FBI agents and discussed the need for plans and foreign resources to support resistance groups operating within Iraq.

Is that what peace activists do? discuss the need for plans and resources to support resistance groups operating within Iraq....killing US soldiers....you don't have a problem with that? How precisely were they to resist? Peacefully. Nonviolently? Set themselves on fire? March to the sea and gather salt? Haha...come now, don't be ridiculous.

We'll see how this one does....I think you and I both have a pretty good clue. Like I said previously she will either sell out and turn witness [expected by me] or she'll serve real time at a maximum Federal penitentiary [desired by me].

You said: "Too bad she didn’t succeed. If she had 560 Americans and 10,000 innocent Iraqi civilians would be alive today, America would be $200 billion dollars richer, and Iraq would still be no threat since they didn’t have any weapons of mass destruction"

That's an asinine statement. I find it amazing how Liberals would find no problem with having Saddam Hussein still murdering millions and trying to acquire nuclear weapons.

You said: "While Lindauer was also charged with acting as an unregistered agent of Iraq and unlawfully accepting around $10,000, she was not charged with espionage or terrorism. This reminds me of the witch hunt to get Martha Stewart, who ended up being convicted of lying while being investigated for securities fraud, a crime for which she was never charged."

It occurs to me that you and your kind are the ones not getting it. We have absolutes. She broke several laws...and now she'll pay for it.

You said: "Arresting Susan Lindauer is going to do about as much to keep America safe from terrorists as arresting Martha Stewart did to keep our money safe from the crooks on Wall Street and in the corporate executive offices of companies like WorldCom and Enron. It’s people like Osama bin Laden, Ken Lay, and Bernie Ebbers who need to be in jail, not Susan and Martha."

I've already spoken to this: I didn't read where anyone responsible for our nations counter-terrorism made the claim that the arrest of your friend would impact their jobs....I am not certain from where you divined the link....or the links with US Civil law and corporate malfeasance

It does indicate how the left thinks. Any behavior is justified if "for the cause." The fact that one is a "peace activist" is seen as a moral get out of jail free card and excuses any lie or behavior is justifed because of this. Taken to an extreme murder and assassination quickly becomes acceptable.

Nor can you reason with someone who can't follow either logic or a rational discussion who are fundamentally ignorant of how our government works, have no faith or belief in America and hates beyond reason. Believe me, I work with mAss-holes - I NEVER seen a more self-hating and irrational bunch in my life - all you have to do is look at the Congressional representatives at either the state or national level. These are considered 'the best and the brightest' to represent them!!!

"These are considered 'the best and the brightest'"

By who? The media? Hahaha...no, those in government are most definitely not our nation's best & brightest.

I couldn't talk to somebody like that. I'd have to strangle 'em. Like those idiots over at DU right now saying Bush killed all those Spaniards in Madrid. If I had to talk to someone like that in real life (away from cyberspace) I guess I'd become a serial killer.

His Latest e-mail:

"Never been a liberal. Two big gripes with Bush - the war in Iraq and his liberal spending resulting in massive deficits for our children to pay off. Used to be Democrats spent all our money and Republicans couldn't stomach debt. What happened?"

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VaBthang4:

Point One: You may not know it [But I think you do] you most definitely are a Liberal.
Point Two: The President doesn't spend money...the legislative branch [Congress & Senate] of government does.
Point Three: What happened? Terrorists flew two planes into the World Trade Center and another into the Pentagon. I know you guys tend to [want to] forget that small point.

I know so many people who USED to be at least rational, could reason logically, they knew right from wrong, even though they choose wrong and they knew they where doing wrong, they at least knew they where doing the wrong thing, they had guilt, shame - but somewhere along the way, they became SO very lost, it is as if they don't even remember who they used to be, what they used to believe, they speak of shame for ever believing in any thing remotely having a Christian content, looking in their eyes- they look angry enough to strike me, for even bringing this past history of theirs up - close family and friends I am speaking of, to see this change and hardening is surreal - very! Leaves me baffled truly - but again I think of the verse in 2Thessalonians 2:10-11 "..because they did not receive the love of the truth so as to be save, and for this reason God will send upon them a deluding influence so that they might believe what is false." Wow, scary promise from the Word of God.

What 10,000 dead innocent Iraqis were killed by allied forces???

That liberal idiot needs to provide some serious documentation for that "fact".

I like that you made mention the fact that these liberals have no problem with saddam's longtime mass murders of innocents.

Just consider what he had done to the Marsh Arabs and by golly, if those liberals are NOT concerned with the deaths of those folks .... well, maybe they MIGHT be concerned for the ruined ENVIRONMENT of the South Iraqi Marshes???

Liberal minds... WHAT MINDS????

She wasn't *set up*. THIS IS A GRAND JURY INDICTMENT!!!!!

Sorry, I am not yelling at you. (but you should point that out to him).

They have her dead to rights. I see no way ideology matters.
This isn't jaywalking at a demonstration. This is a nation at war and she was dealing w/the enemy and she took money for it.

No technicalities involved at all. Open and shut. She may get some mitigation since she is an idiot. It is more than she deserves.

Otherwise: very good attempt at trying to talk sense to the senseless.

removing-herself-from-the-gene-pool bump

Who is she to carry out our foreign policy?

Interesting delusional material. I find it hard to believe that people act this way. Perhaps there was just too much feed back from her left-wing whacko friends. Like a positive feedback loop... she just got wound-up and wound-up. Then she acted (foolishly).

For those actions there are consequences.

Hoppy

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