[Fester Chugabrew]

This is a position that will forever be in retreat.

How do you know? Do you know how many people subscribe to this position and whether their number is increasing or decreasing? It may be a position that dogmatic evolutionists retreat FROM, but the position itself could very well be on the march.

[js1138]

It doesn't matter how many people believe something, as easily demonstrated by today's events in Baghdad.

What matters is that ID proponents support their position by pointing to an object, such as a flagellum, and say, "This is irreducibly complex; there can be no functional subcomponents of this. It needs all its pieces to work."

Biologists come along and demonstrate that pieces of the flagellum structure do in fact have useful functions and do exist in living bacteria.

This is what I mean by being in perpetual retreat. There is no part of a living thing that will not be investigated, and so far, nothing that has been investigated has been irreducibly complex.

You can get 1.2 billion people to close their eyes and pretend that this doesn't happen, and yet it continues to happen.

This is not simply about being right or wrong. It is about asking the right questions. If you are doing science, the right question is always, "How could this have come about through natural processes." If this isn't your question, you aren't doing science.

[Junior]

Do you know how many people subscribe to this position and whether their number is increasing or decreasing?

Actually, it depends upon the evidence to support the position. Science ain't a personality contest.