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Ease corporate tax load
USA Today ^ | March 12, 2004 | Bill Thomas

Posted on 03/13/2004 7:09:17 AM PST by phil_will1

Edited on 04/13/2004 1:42:07 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

The United States imposes on its businesses and workers one of the highest corporate tax rates in the industrialized world. In addition to this high tax rate, rising health care costs, virtually unlimited liability exposure and the outdated manner in which U.S. businesses are taxed on their worldwide income have combined to put American companies and American workers in a dangerously uncompetitive position.


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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Editorial
KEYWORDS: axixofevil; billthomas; corporatetaxes; eti; taxreform; trade; waysandmeans
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The Chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee thinks he can "fix" the current tax system. These guys will just never give up.
1 posted on 03/13/2004 7:09:17 AM PST by phil_will1
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To: phil_will1
On a more positive note, HR25 is up to 46 co-sponsors now. We need more momentum in the senate, however .... (-:

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2 posted on 03/13/2004 7:25:00 AM PST by phil_will1
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To: phil_will1; *Taxreform; Taxman; Principled; Bigun; EternalVigilance; kevkrom; n-tres-ted; ...
A Taxreform bump for you all.

If you would like to be added to this ping list let me know.

John Linder in the House & Saxby Chambliss Senate, offer a comprehensive bill to kill all income and payroll taxes outright, and provide a IRS free replacement in the form of a pure consumption tax:

H.R.25, S.1493
A bill to promote freedom, fairness, and economic opportunity by repealing the income tax and other taxes, abolishing the Internal Revenue Service, and enacting a national retail sales tax to be administered primarily by the States.

Refer: http://www.fairtax.org & http://www.salestax.org


3 posted on 03/13/2004 7:47:56 AM PST by ancient_geezer (Equality, the French disease: Everyone is equal beneath the guillotine.)
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To: phil_will1
These guys will just never give up.

Of course they won't! The current income tax code is their source of power and money for financing their next election. They are, however, OUR employees and WE can hold their collective feet to the fire. The question is: WILL WE?

4 posted on 03/13/2004 8:09:00 AM PST by Bigun (IRSsucks@getridof it.com)
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To: ancient_geezer; Willie Green
Well, WG... do you see the benefits of removing income tax, payroll tax, and compliance costs from the prices of our exports?

Removing these costs would make our products about 25% cheaper overseas - how's that for a boost to US production?

Also, the nrst mentioned here would require that imported products pay the 25% or so sales tax- boosting our tax revenues and making domestic goods more price competitive.

Of course, foreign companies are already subsidized by their governments... so the foreign companies will have to both reduce their profitability and increase prices - or some combination of the two that results in acceptable sales revenue.

Both ways, exports and imports, the nrst is a boost for the US economy.

5 posted on 03/13/2004 8:12:10 AM PST by Principled
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To: phil_will1
The 'corporate' tax load goes far beyond what is visible, even identifiable in some cases.

The cost of American goods on the world market includes so many hidden and multiplied taxes that I'd be willing to guess about 50 percent of the price is taxes.

The reason we have so much problem competing with foreign 'labor' is not our productivity, our Unions and such, or the minimum wage: It is because we are exporting our taxes in the price of our goods (i.e., for those who don't understand, a U.S. made widget, when exported, has the cost of many layers of worker SS taxes included in it's cost since they were a part of the cost of labor and production at each level of the process from raw materials to transportation to finished (manufactured) product).

We cannot continue to attempt to use foreign markets to finance our government at home and expect to maintain anything resembling a major export industry. All of our taxes need to be removed from our exported goods and paid here at home.

6 posted on 03/13/2004 8:17:31 AM PST by templar
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The 'corporate' tax load goes far beyond what is visible, even identifiable in some cases.

The full impact of the federal tax system(taxes in gross wage/salaries & other compensation + business income/payroll taxes) added onto the base price(without taxes) of retail consumption goods and services is 36% for federal taxes as they are reflected back in consumption prices.

Federal tax revenues collected as % of current family expenditure = fed/(1-state-fed-savings) =

23.5/(1-.235-0.102-0.012) = 36.09%

If we add in the cost of federal tax compliance & enforcement, the percentage that truely represents the burden due to the Federal income payroll tax system increases by nearly 55% of tax free prices.

Where Have All the Dollars Gone?
How the government robs Peter to pay him back.
By James L. Payne, Reason Magazine February '94

When the overhead costs are added together, (24 percent compliance costs, 33 percent disincentive costs, and 8 percent other costs), they total 65 percent of tax revenue.

Current total Federal tax revenues are about $1900billion, more than $1,000 billion additional dollars are added on onto consumption prices due to the business costs of complying with the federal income/payroll tax laws.

(Payne '97, Pilla '95, AGCCA 2000, Williams 2000)

Percent total federal burden (taxes + compliance costs) of consumption dollars = 36*(1900+1000)/1900 = 54.95% economic burden added on to base retail prices.

7 posted on 03/13/2004 8:27:03 AM PST by ancient_geezer (Equality, the French disease: Everyone is equal beneath the guillotine.)
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To: Principled
Of course, foreign companies are already subsidized by their governments...

And our industries are still shackled by the bloated federal regulatory bureaucracy that the NRST leaves intact.
So foreign production will continue to enjoy a skewed market advantage while the NRST will only serve to shift the entire nation's tax burdern on the shoulders of the consumers who can least afford it.

8 posted on 03/13/2004 8:29:04 AM PST by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
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To: Willie Green
"....the NRST will only serve to shift the entire nation's tax burden on the shoulders of the consumers who can least afford it."

You mean the illegal immigrants and foreign visitors who would go onto our tax rolls for the first time at a rate that would be disproportionate to the rest of us?
9 posted on 03/13/2004 8:44:01 AM PST by phil_will1
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To: Willie Green
"And our industries are still shackled by the bloated federal regulatory bureaucracy that the NRST leaves intact."

OK, I got it. Since the NRST doesn't reduce the federal beaucracy (except for eliminating the IRS), it doesn't matter that we have a horribly inefficient and economically destructive tax system that makes it almost impossible for US producers to compete with their counterparts in other countries. We can't fix everything that's wrong with government in one fell swoop, so it doesn't make sense to make incremental improvements, no matter how significant they may be.
10 posted on 03/13/2004 8:52:11 AM PST by phil_will1
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To: phil_will1
Why not ease the tax load on sole proprietors of small businesses. I saw on C-span the other night....a dum-a-crat who actually made a few good points....he had a chart up and was pointing out all the gub-mint programs that were being cut by GWB here domestically.....then in the next column, was the same gub-mint programs being started up in Iraq.

Total pretzel logic here folks.....

....more "offshoring"...of taxpayer monies....

Where (when) will it end?
11 posted on 03/13/2004 8:55:56 AM PST by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: phil_will1
so it doesn't make sense to make incremental improvements, no matter how significant they may be.

There is nothing "incremental" about the NRST's simple-minded panacea to radically abolish the current tax code. Such a drastic transition would precipitate economic chaos.

12 posted on 03/13/2004 8:58:50 AM PST by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
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To: ancient_geezer
The United States imposes on its businesses and workers one of the highest corporate tax rates in the industrialized world. In addition to this high tax rate, rising health care costs, virtually unlimited liability exposure and the outdated manner in which U.S. businesses are taxed on their worldwide income have combined to put American companies and American workers in a dangerously uncompetitive position.

Jobs have always been "outsourced" but because of the escalating costs of compliance and regulations, the outsourcing is effecting higher tech jobs faster than normal.

But why face the facts when you you can throw around blame with epitaths such as:

Greedy fat cats
Free traitors
assault on the working man
Real jobs for real Americans
Bush's oil buddies
the Rich keep getting richer
those damn immigrants
those damn foreigners
tax cuts for the rich

These "slogans" are for people who want to deny the reality of free market economics. Check my tagline for what I think about "sloganeers".
13 posted on 03/13/2004 9:02:53 AM PST by motzman (Kerry: His slogan is a slogan about the inadequacy of slogans.)
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To: taxed2death

....more "offshoring"...of taxpayer monies....
Where (when) will it end?

Rep. Bill Archer, Chairman, House Ways and Means Committee 106th Congress:


14 posted on 03/13/2004 9:50:02 AM PST by ancient_geezer (Equality, the French disease: Everyone is equal beneath the guillotine.)
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To: Willie Green
"...NRST will only serve to shift the entire nation's tax burdern on the shoulders of the consumers who can least afford it.

PLEASE sir, pray tell just who YOU think suffers that burden today???

The ONLY thing the NRST really does Willie is to expose to consumers what is currently hidden from them AND collect some taxes from the millions who currently don't pay ANY!

15 posted on 03/13/2004 10:17:46 AM PST by Bigun (IRSsucks@getridof it.com)
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I frankly find it odd that Willie Green, protectionist champion, wilfully refuses to see the benefit of eliminating 25% of export costs...

Either he really doesn't understand the simple concept that lowering the price of US goods will mean more US goods being sold - or he is a pretender... i.e. he is benefitting from the current income tax quagmire and so he makes up fake reasons for rejecting fundamental tax reform- in hopes of preventing others from finding out about the national retail sales tax - and ultimately prevent any reform whatsoever.

16 posted on 03/13/2004 10:30:32 AM PST by Principled
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To: Willie Green
..shift the entire nation's tax burdern on the shoulders of the consumers who can least afford it.

The nrst does not shift any burden anywhere. 100% of the tax burden is already on the shoulders of consumers. The nrst doesn't shift that burden - it just makes it visible.

In every instance, it is an individual that shoulders the burden of any tax. Tax is always paid by
individual consumers in prices
individual workers via lower wages to cover costs
or individual investors via reduced ROI to cover costs.

It is folly to try to convince any thinking individual that business pays tax.... business just collects the tax in their sales revenues from consumers. If a business cannot afford to increase prices to cover costs, the business will have to either lower wages of individual workers or reduce ROI to individual investors. Never does the business itself pay taxes- only individuals.

17 posted on 03/13/2004 10:38:34 AM PST by Principled
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To: Principled
Shoot!

I had hoped to have a little PHUNN with him and now you gone and spoiled it spouting FACTS an all!

Dar it! ;>)

18 posted on 03/13/2004 10:53:42 AM PST by Bigun (IRSsucks@getridof it.com)
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To: taxed2death
"Why not ease the tax load on sole proprietors of small businesses."

That is exactly what the FairTax does. Research indicates that the tens of billions of $$ spent on compliance costs falls disproportionately on small businesses. It is a horribly inefficient system and noone would benefit more from its abandonment than small businessmen and women.
19 posted on 03/13/2004 11:09:45 AM PST by phil_will1
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To: Principled
"I frankly find it odd that Willie Green, protectionist champion, wilfully refuses to see the benefit of eliminating 25% of export costs..."

Indeed it is. Trying to band-aid our tax system by offsetting the disadvantages that it places our producers under with tariffs is silly - and counter-productive.
20 posted on 03/13/2004 11:17:59 AM PST by phil_will1
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