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TWO WITNESSES COULD END KERRY PRESIDENTIAL RUN -- "The Phoenix Project"
various sources | 3-12-04 | dfu

Posted on 03/12/2004 10:32:07 AM PST by doug from upland

THOMAS LIPSCOMB STORY

Reporter Thomas Lipscomb wrote the story which is linked above in the NY SUN. It has the potential to end the Kerry presdential run.

I had a great conversation with Lipscomb a short while ago. This story was too hot for some of the majors. But Lipscomb assured me it is well-sourced and is dead on.

Two witnesses have placed John Kerry at a Kansas City meeting of the hierarchy of the Vietnam Veterans Against the War in November of 1971. At that meeting, they actually took a vote about assassinating United States senators. It was called "The Phoenix Project" and was the brainchild of Scott Camil. Kerry spokesman David Wade has denied Kerry was at the meeting.

The two witnesses who place Kerry at the meeting are Terry Du-Bose and Randy Barnes. What is very interesting is that Barnes is a big Kerry supporter and the head of Missouri Vets for Kerry. As a supporter, Barnes would certainly not make up a story that would hurt his candidate. He told Lipscomb of Kerry's attendance at the meeting.

Think of the implications. If the mainsteam media and major news networks do their homework, they may discover that a man who wants to be president was at a meeting discussing the possiblity of assassinating United States senators. That is a conspiracy. Instead of the White House, does John Forbes Kerry belong in the Big House?

Get on the phone to newsrooms and shame them into covering this story. A major mainsteam journalist returned by email in about a half hour after I sent him info. He finds it "interesting." Let's see if pursues it. He is notable enough, that if he does the story, all hell will break loose in the presidential campaign.

Note: Lipscomb is not a right-wing ideologue. He did a recent story defending Kerry over his medals. He also recently did a story in which he went after George Bush's National Guard service. He told me that he expected to find a drunken rich kid with coke up his nose. Instead, he discovered that Bush actually did more than make up the meetings he had missed and he honorably fulfilled his duty. And Terry McAuliffe knows it.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 1971; 2004; barnes; darkplot; dubose; kansascity; kerry; phoenixproject; randybarnes; scottcamil; senators; thomaslipscomb; traitor; vvaw
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To: cyncooper
State once again may hold keys to the White House By Toby Eckert COPLEY NEWS SERVICE March 8, 2004

"I think those of us who voted for him in 2000 learned our lesson," said Scott Camil, a Green Party organizer from Gainesville who is backing Kerry. "There's too much at stake this year to vote with your heart and not your head."

341 posted on 03/13/2004 10:29:28 AM PST by OXENinFLA
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To: cyncooper
WINTER SOLDIER: John Kerry's turning point March 2, 2004

"Nothing in my life prepared me for what I saw there. Nothing," Butler told the Free Press. "Kerry had never seen anything like this. David and John and I were very good friends. We'd eat lunch together and we were just shaking our heads at the kind of testimony we were hearing." Scott Camil of Gainesville, Fla., said in a recent interview that his own testimony surprised him. Camil, a former member of the 1st Marine Division, attracted considerable attention at the event by testifying that U.S. soldiers cut off ears of dead Vietnamese, raped women and eviscerated prisoners.

342 posted on 03/13/2004 10:34:17 AM PST by OXENinFLA
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To: cyncooper
Thanks. I just went to the link and read the Friday story.
343 posted on 03/13/2004 10:44:53 AM PST by doug from upland (Don't wait until it is too late to stop Hillary -- do something today!)
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To: cyncooper
John Musgrave's name is only mentioned in the KS paper.

I googled the news and that's the only one that comes up.
344 posted on 03/13/2004 10:54:39 AM PST by OXENinFLA
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To: cyncooper
I just spoke with Tom Lipscomb. He will be on FOX NEWS within an hour.
345 posted on 03/13/2004 10:56:38 AM PST by doug from upland (Don't wait until it is too late to stop Hillary -- do something today!)
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To: doug from upland; StriperSniper
I just spoke with Tom Lipscomb. He will be on FOX NEWS within an hour.

THANKS FOR THE HEADS UP!

346 posted on 03/13/2004 10:59:24 AM PST by OXENinFLA
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To: cyncooper
LIPSCOMB COMING UP ON FOX NEWS!!!
347 posted on 03/13/2004 10:59:55 AM PST by doug from upland (Don't wait until it is too late to stop Hillary -- do something today!)
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To: doug from upland
"Untitled is a poem by John Musgrave which I related to a lot. I appreciate John's permission to let me make a page out of this very moving Vietnam War poem. I hope you enjoy it and get the meaning and feeling that was present when this poem was created and see what our trend of mind was as "Combat Soldiers" in the Nam.

"He Stepped Off The Trail" is another poem by John Musgrave, that shows the horror of war and the frame of mind the Combat Soldier had to be in to fight and survive and believe -"It Don't Mean Nothin'! When it meant everything.

FYI

348 posted on 03/13/2004 11:02:05 AM PST by OXENinFLA
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To: Constructionist
Randy Barnes was certain about KC when he talked to Lipscomb. The word got out and he has been dealt with appropriately.

TOM LIPSCOMB COMING UP ON FOX NEWS

349 posted on 03/13/2004 11:05:11 AM PST by doug from upland (Don't wait until it is too late to stop Hillary -- do something today!)
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To: Cousin Eddie
If you are correct and he resigned and disassociated himself from the group, why didn't he report the conspiracy to the authorities?

Didn't he do the same thing regarding the Viet Nam atrocities? Seems we may have a pattern of behavior.

350 posted on 03/13/2004 11:08:01 AM PST by Michael_S
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To: Michael_S
Absolutely. He had an obligation to report it to the authorities.
351 posted on 03/13/2004 11:21:03 AM PST by doug from upland (Don't wait until it is too late to stop Hillary -- do something today!)
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To: doug from upland
Thanks for heads up. I stepped away and missed it, but see your other thread on it.

352 posted on 03/13/2004 11:23:36 AM PST by cyncooper
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To: cyncooper
I saw on one of these threads yesterday more debunking of those Winter Soldier witnesses that you claimed have not been exposed.

Great! But excuse me if I ask for a link and a post # citation. So many of these claims of refution have melted away, before now.

Note that I do not endorse the WSI as truth. In fact I think it likely that the more sensational claims got invented. But my belief does not not constitute a refutation.

353 posted on 03/13/2004 11:24:41 AM PST by secretagent
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To: secretagent
I see your note and I'm honestly not trying to duck it but I haven't time to look right now. I will ping you if I get a chance to look, but it might be on the Lipscomb thread linked at the beginning of this one.

Later.
354 posted on 03/13/2004 11:27:24 AM PST by cyncooper
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To: cyncooper
Thanks.
355 posted on 03/13/2004 12:02:50 PM PST by secretagent
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To: Hon
Read from #294 on this thread that was started yesterday for a little more information if you haven't already seen today's posts.

356 posted on 03/13/2004 12:44:22 PM PST by cyncooper
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To: doug from upland
bump
357 posted on 03/13/2004 1:41:35 PM PST by rwfromkansas ("Men stumble over the truth, but most pick themselves up as if nothing had happened." Churchill)
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To: Happy2BMe; doug from upland
Note the timeline on when he quit VVAW in this Dem timeline:

"November 10, 1971:
Kerry quits Vietnam Veterans Against the War."
358 posted on 03/13/2004 1:52:52 PM PST by rwfromkansas ("Men stumble over the truth, but most pick themselves up as if nothing had happened." Churchill)
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To: doug from upland
Kerry slithered out of the "intern" issue, he lied about tossing his medals, he downplayed terrorism concerns....Now- look at this! If true, he was actually part of a group of people plotting terrorist actions.

There is NO WAY this man should become the President!
359 posted on 03/13/2004 2:00:42 PM PST by jerseygirl
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To: doug from upland
This would be a huge story if it was about a Republican.

The media will only jump all over this if they know that Hillary is waiting in the wings to take the candidacy. If not, they'll ignore it.
360 posted on 03/13/2004 2:06:58 PM PST by Bullish
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