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To: dennisw; SJackson; quidnunc; JohnHuang2; BenF; Nachum; Sabertooth; Grampa Dave; Bahbah; Alouette
FYI.
2 posted on 03/12/2004 5:30:53 AM PST by veronica ("America will never seek a permission slip to defend the security of our people." GW Bush 1-20-04)
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To: veronica
Thanks for the ping, friend. Bump!
3 posted on 03/12/2004 5:32:14 AM PST by JohnHuang2
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To: veronica
If he was there, he should have reported this horrible plan to the authorities. That's why he denies his presence!

Bring on the lie detectors!
7 posted on 03/12/2004 5:34:58 AM PST by rightazrain
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To: veronica; Torie
Another source is an October 20,1992, oral history interview of Scott Camil on file at the University of Florida Oral History Archive.In it,Mr.Camil speaks of his plan for an alternative to Mr. Kerry’s idea of symbolically throwing veterans’ medals over the fence onto the steps of the Capitol during the Dewey Canyon III demonstration in Washington in April of 1971.

According to the Nicosia book and interviews with VVAW members who were involved, at theVietnamVeterans Against the War Kansas City leadership conference, Mr. Camil tried to put his plan into effect. He called together eight to 10 Marines to organize something he called “The Phoenix Project.” The original Phoenix Project during the Vietnam War was an attempt to destroy the Viet Cong leadership by assassination.

I wonder if "alternative to Mr. Kerry’s idea" is Camill's wording?

Kerry's medal-tossing stunt as set for April, 1971, and the metting where the assassinations were discussed was later that December. However, "The Phoenix Project" was apparently an off-the-shelf plan from Vietnam, which given the tours of duty of these members of the VVAW, would predate Kerry's medal-tossing by a few years.

How long had "The Phoenix Project" been percolating in the VVAW hierarchy prior to it being broached at the November 12-15, 1971, meeting in Kansas City?

“My plan was that, on the last day we would go into the [congressional] offices we would schedule the most hardcore hawks for last — and we would shoot them all,” Mr. Camil told the Oral History interviewer. “I was serious.”

In a phone interview with the Sun this week, Mr. Camil did not dispute either the account in the Nicosia book or in the oral history. He said he plans to accept an offer by the Florida Kerry organization to become active in Mr. Kerry’s presidential campaign. Campaign aides to Mr. Kerry invited Mr.Camil to a meeting for the senator in Orlando last week, but they did not meet directly.

Why would anyone in Kerry's campaign want anything at all to do with Camill, given that he openly boasts of conspiring to assassinate US Senators?

Mr. Camil was known to colleagues in the anti-war movement as “Scott the Assassin.” Mr. Camil told The New York Sun he got the name in Vietnam for “sneaking down to the Vietnamese villages at night and killing people.”
I wonder if this is a reference to some of the war crimes about which Kerry testified before Congress ?

46 posted on 03/12/2004 6:31:16 AM PST by Sabertooth (Malcontent for Bush - 2004!)
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But in a footnote, Mr. Brinkley acknowledges,“I could not locate Kerry’s November 10 VVAW resignation letter supposedly housed at the Wisconsin archives. The quote I used comes directly from Andrew E. Hunt’s essential ‘The Turning: A History of Vietnam Veterans Against the War (1999).”

When asked by the Sun who told him Mr. Kerry was “no-show” at Kansas City, Mr. Brinkley replied, “Senator Kerry.” Mr. Brinkley also stated that Mr. Kerry did not have a personal copy of the resignation letter either.

But in an interview with the Sun, the “essential” historian Mr. Brinkley relied on as his source, Andrew E. Hunt, said “I never stated that there was a letter of resignation, or even implied in my book that I saw one. I never could find one in the archives in Wisconsin. I don’t know how Brinkley got the idea that I had. I never could figure out when Kerry resigned.”

Well, it's apparently to Senator Kerry's good fortune that he happened to resign on November 10th, just before the existing "Phoenix Project" plans were discussed November 12-15 in Kansas City.

And it's apparently to Senator Kerry's bad fortune that neither he nor the VVAW can produce a copy of the November 10th resignation letter, since it's also to Senator Kerry's misfortune that two witnesses place him in Kansas City discussing the assassination plot.

according to the current head of Missouri Veterans for Kerry, Randy Barnes, Mr. Kerry,who was then 27,was at the meeting, voted against the plot, and then orally resigned from the organization.

Mr. Barnes was present as part of the Kansas City host chapter for the 1971 meeting and recounted the incident in a phone interview with The New York Sun this week.

In addition to Mr. Barnes’s recollection placing Mr. Kerry at the Kansas City meeting, another Vietnam veteran who attended the meeting, Terry Du-Bose, said that Mr. Kerry was there.

I guess someone didn't get their ketchup money.


56 posted on 03/12/2004 6:39:53 AM PST by Sabertooth (Malcontent for Bush - 2004!)
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