Freep Baking: "we are nevertheless also many"

Spiegel (Germany) ^ | 09. March 2004 | Franc Patalong

[Constitution Day]

Freep baking
 
"we are nevertheless also many"

The report over Vote manipulations by users of a conservative US Website led to the manipulation of the manipulated Votes - and to a solid reader echo. While some welcome "Vote being", others remind deliberated handling Votes and expressions of opinion in the on-line journalism on.

At 17 o'clock on Monday registered the "Schulnoten" Vote to the presidency of George W. Bush accurately 38,449 voices. 59.6 per cent of it evaluated the US president with "unity", approximately 13 per cent with "six".

Even these numbers for itself taken already showed that this Vote was not normal: "pure already with statistic means", wrote Hans Wegener on Monday evening in a reader letter, "sees one that with the above inquiry something takes place. The distribution of the voices with maxima with the notes ' 1 ' and ' 6 ' (reverse bath tub curve) puts near that the co-ordinations disintegrate into two groups. From this observation it is an easy to arrive at the assumption that two extremes supply themselves in the political spectrum a tuning war."

_ so look the probably out, and so the article to manipulation the Bush Votes by reader the Weblogs "David criticism" and the conservative US Website "Free Republic" of much also understand: as request to strike back. "we are nevertheless also many", were called it in a reader letter, "show we it the Amis".

The result could be visited on Tuesday morning: At 9.25 o'clock registered the Vote 291,164 voices, whereby 29.38 per cent of Bush with "unity" evaluated and 59.04 per cent with "six". We can "freepen" evenly also: Quod erat demonstrandum?

MIRROR ON-LINE ONE: Did liver sausage insult?

Not few readers noticed in such a way: They felt the disclosure of the Vote manipulation as Retourkut against their causer. The subordinated motive: MIRROR ON-LINE ONE did not want to accept that a Vote results in a opinion, which does not fit the "positioning" of the assumed readership. That would be however rather cheap.

Other one reminded, which procedure shows nevertheless over-clearly, the Votes a "dubious means" are, which one cannot take seriously, never is representative - and therefore on a journalistic web page nothing to search has: "is inexpressible what? Purposeful falsifying of these tunings or perhaps even the tunings themselves, more unrepraesentativer not to be could be and for in good journalism no place should not?" (from a reader letter by Stefan shopkeeper)

	MIRROR ON-LINE ONE INQUIRY
Votes in the on-line journalism: Yes or no? Votes are with Machern and readers like. In addition, they are susceptible to falsifications. Should a journalistic offer use the means of the Votes or not?
	Yes: It belongs to the attractions of the InterNet for Medienmacher and readers that such communication forms are possible. Votes are "part OF the fun". One must make clear that they are not representative
	No: Votes obtain the impression of respectable opinions, are however falsification-endangered. They do not have to look for anything in journalistic offers
	Undecided, no opinion

A minority criticized the criticism at the behavior of those, which had called for Vote manipulation: That is nevertheless probably legitimate, one can its readership evenly not select itself. "your tuning achieved, wrote not the desired result" reader Peter Kneer. "the co-ordination however falsification to subordinate joins easy the left democracy understanding. A citizen of age is only that, that its cross a little linkslastig sets."

[Petronski]

This is so fun.

[dighton]

Ja, Amis to you I will show.

[spodefly]

"the co-ordination however falsification to subordinate joins easy the left democracy understanding. A citizen of age is only that, that its cross a little linkslastig sets."

I've been saying this for years, and people just look at me funny each time. Finally, I am vindicated.

[Thinkin' Gal]

more unrepraesentativer not to be could be

That is the question.

[dirtboy]

"show we it the Amis".

No thanks, I'm straight.

[BlueLancer]

...but don't say "Kraut".

"Well, we didn't start it ...
Yes, you did ... you invaded Poland!"

[Incorrigible]

All your "amis" bashing base are belong to us!
You are on the way to destruction!
You have no chance to survive make your time!

Editorial staff at Spiegal

[RightWhale]

Not to discourse conduct in German is philosophy hopeless to do.

[BlueLancer]

"That is the question."

Yes, but does it answer the question that questions the question which is answered by the question that it answers?

[Constitution Day]

Don't mention the war.

[hellinahandcart]

"is inexpressible what? Purposeful falsifying of these tunings or perhaps even the tunings themselves, more unrepraesentativer not to be could be and for in good journalism no place should not?" (from a reader letter by Stefan shopkeeper)

Who could argue with that?

[In_25_words_or_less]

more unrepraesentativer not to be could be
That is the question.

Ah. The famous liver sausage soliloquy. O-liver-ier did it so well, don't you think?

[Constitution Day]

Authentic Deutschland gibberish.

[general_re]

Apologies to Tom Petty...

She's a German, loves her leftists,
Loves commies, hates America too,
She's a German, crazy 'bout Schroeder,
Loves sausage, and those Froggies too,
It's a long day, living in America,
There's a freeway, runnin' through Iraq,
And I'm a bad boy, 'cause I don't even listen,
I'm a bad boy, for givin' her the finger,

And I'm freep...freep bakin',
Yeah I'm freep...freep bakin'

[BlueLancer]

Just don't call her a "Kraut".
8')

[TheBigB]

Wonder if we'll get some more trolls today?

[TheBigB]

Mommy, my brain hurts. Make the bad words go away...

[Constitution Day]

Let's see... is it a day ending in "Y"?

[DakotaGator]

Liberals hate it when votes do not go their way.

Der Speigel is a great example. It blames a group, Freepers, of vote manipulation and falsifying. Now what did this group actually do? It voted! Freepers had every right to vote. The poll was "on-line" and open to all. If Der Spiegel did not want it open to all, Der Speigel was obligated to restrict those franchised to vote.

So my response to Der Speigel's whining is; "Nuts!" Perhaps they remember the term.

But for Freepers, we need to focus on any group crying manipulation and falsifying merely because legitimate voters forced an outcome not to the liberals liking. This is directly linked to liberals' behavior in Florida 2000.

Do not let liberals define this issue with their lies!

[general_re]

I had to edit that out, actually - "She's a gooood K***t...". Alternate forms of address are outlined in the classic "Foreigners Around the World" series ;)