One pill a day could keep food and nicotine cravings away (Rimonabant)

USA Today ^ | March 9, 2004 | Steve Sternberg

[FairOpinion]

NEW ORLEANS

[cinFLA]

"I forgot. Smoked marijuana as a medicine cures tetanus and uterus hemorrhaging. The evil FDA does not want us to know that."

Lying again. Do you not know the difference between treat and cure.

Could you be more asinine with your exaggerations.

Heh. I got it from your post documenting the uses of smoked marijuana as a medicine. Are you saying you were asinine with your exaggerations?

[cinFLA]

So moron junior, see how I used only our posts in that exerpt to match up responses. Is that simple thing beyond you too?

I see only that you keep changing things around so much that it is impossible to follow. All I know is that you have shown that your original post was incorrect and your statement that it was 'word for word' is false.

[Ophiucus]

"Do you not know the difference between treat and cure."

Heh. I got it from your post documenting the uses of smoked marijuana as a medicine. Are you saying you were asinine with your exaggerations?

I'll take that as a no - you don't not know the difference between treat and cure. And do you have to type the big words slowly when you copy them?

You don't know the difference between Canada and the US, you don't know the difference between a medicine and an FDA approval, and you don't know the difference between honesty and lying.

You really are a sad case of sheer ignorance mixed with blind stupidity.

[cinFLA]

I know that smoked marijuana does not (as you claim) cure tetanus and uterus hemmorrhaging.

[-YYZ-]

"krb;-YYZ- People that won't answer the question: Do you favor legalization of crack?"

Still lying, eh? I answered that question, maybe not the way you'd like, but I answered it. If you've forgotten, my answer was "maybe", as in "possibly", as in I haven't ruled it out as a possibility (I assume you really mean cocaine, not crack, as it is an easily produced derivative of coke). I'd admit that it is likely that more people would use it, and likely become dependent on it, if it was legalized. I don't think that that is desirable. OTOH, either are the effects of prohibition.

Sorry, some questions don't really lend themselves to a black or white, yes or no type response.

[-YYZ-]

You're being generous to assume c's behaviour is the result of ignorance and stupidity. I believe that it is quite deliberate, and that he deliberately twists what others say.

[cinFLA]

Still lying, eh? I answered that question, maybe not the way you'd like, but I answered it.

I know. What O and I were discussing was his posting of posts. It has nothing to do with you except he was posting your posts. Please go home and put on your tin foil hat.

[Bogey78O]

You're doing a great job. You'll never get a concession though.

[Ophiucus]

You're being generous to assume c's behaviour is the result of ignorance and stupidity. I believe that it is quite deliberate, and that he deliberately twists what others say.

Very true - case in point his last post: cinFLA: I know that smoked marijuana does not (as you claim) cure tetanus and uterus hemmorrhaging.

Nowhere did I ever make that "claim." Ever. A previous post of mine had the statement, "Medical papers of the late 1800's and early 1900's listed cannabis as an effective treatment for tetanus, neuralgia, analgesia for persistent pain, uterine hemorrhage, and to relieve withdrawal symptoms of alcoholics."

When I asked if he knew the difference between treat and cure, he repeated his lie.

For the record:
Treat - To give medical aid to (someone): treated many patients in the emergency room.
Cure - Restoration of health; recovery from disease. A remedy.

Treatment reduces symptoms - cures remove the disease or completely repair the injury. In case of uterine hemorrhage, the treatment is reducing pain and controlling bleeding through medication. The cure is surgical repair of the bleeding source.

cinFLA in this post and others goes beyond distortion and disruption with an utter lack of regard to truth and honesty.

In other words, cinFLA would make a good DemoRat.

[Ophiucus]

You're doing a great job. You'll never get a concession though.

Thanks and you're right, I won't but I have little patience for lies and distortion - which also makes me snarl at DemoRat telephone fund raisers.

[cinFLA]

For the record:
Treat - To give medical aid to (someone): treated many patients in the emergency room.
Cure - Restoration of health; recovery from disease. A remedy.

For the record, you stated 'effective treatment'. Now lets look closer:

effective: Adequate to accomplish a purpose; producing the intended or expected result.

treatment: The systematic effort to cure illness and relieve symtoms, as with medicines, surgery, etc.

Put together, it means that marijuana was used to cure tetanus and uterine hemmorrhaging. There you go, WJC.

[Ophiucus]

You are a liar and a moron.

[cinFLA]

You are a liar and a moron. Once again when you are faced with facts you resort to name calling and slander.

[FairOpinion]

THIS was front page news in many newspapers. THIS article was from USAToday -- a totally mainstream newspaper. It reports on findings which were presented at the American College of Cardiology symposium. THIS is not "CHAT", NOT speculation, this is REAL, LEGITIMATE, MAJOR news -- results of clinical studies.

I think I even only put it either in "news" or "extended news".

I think it's totally unfair to have moved this to chat.

I would really appreciate it, if you would move it back to news, "exteded news" is fine.

Thank you.


Here is the google news search results -- you can see it was in news everywhere.

http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&edition=us&q=rimonabant%2C&btnG=Search+News

[Viking2002]

My doc had me try Wellbutrin for this stuff. It worked good for a week or so, but if you think I'm cranky and bellicose now, you should've been around me after a couple of weeks on that crap. Forget it. I'm doing it the old fashioned way.

[FairOpinion]

Wellbutrin is one of those "anti-depressant" drugs, I guess they try to use it to break addictions too. It affects your brain chemistry.

But this new drug is different -- it doesn't just cut the cravings, it actually reduces cholesterol, etc. This only acts on one specific part of the brain, so it only really impacts the cravings part -- and it seems to affect metabolism too -- not a "mood enhancer", as Prozac, Wellbutrin and the other stuff.

[Viking2002]

I'm always a little wary of these so-called 'wonder drugs' when they first come out (fenphen comes to mind). But if this is as good as it's advertising, I'd probably be a candidate for a maintenance dose.

[robertpaulsen]

"and post a link to your research that has shown that smoked marijuana will never be a medicine."

Here you go, from the Institute of Medicine, MrLeRoy's, aka onmyknees, favorite site. "For those reasons there is little future in smoked marijuana as a medically approved medication. If there is any future in cannabinoid drugs, it lies with agents of more certain, not less certain, composition."

In addition, no major medical organization supports the use of snoked marijuana as medicine.

[robertpaulsen]

This is an incorrect statement. Marijuana already was a medicine and is being used as a medicine."

See my post #138. Smoked marijuana is not medicine.

I don't care if it's being used as medicine. Some people use crystals to cure headaches -- does that make it medicine?

[Ophiucus]

See my post #138. Smoked marijuana is not medicine.
I don't care if it's being used as medicine. Some people use crystals to cure headaches -- does that make it medicine?

Follow the reasoning - smoked marijuana and marijuana in preparations were once used as medicines as part of accepted medical practices of the time. Smoked marijuana is currently being used as an accepted medical practice, outside of this country. Therefor even if you "don't care" or are philosophically against marijuana for any use in any form, you can not make the statement that smoked marijuana is not a medicine. It's kind of a Flat Earther claiming that the Earth is not round.

You can say that it is unlikely to be an FDA approved medication in the US. And you would be correct. Do you see the difference? It is a medicine but it is not an FDA approved medication. There are many other medicines that are used abroad that do not have approval in the US. The FDA standards are much higher.

Cannabinoids have been researched for many years for possible new avenues of treatment. The resulting substances will be specific, isolated agents and synthesized analogues that will reduce the drawbacks of smoked marijuana - fewer side effects, dosage control, specificity, and controlled delivery. Many of these drugs will be approved by the FDA and so become both medicines and FDA approved medications.

Some people use crystals to cure headaches -- does that make it medicine?

A medicine can be defined as an agent, or substance, that is administered to modify or correct physiological actions to treat disease or injury.

Something that is not administered, such as oral, injection, topical, is usually lumped into a catchall term of treatment. Applying a splint is a treatment. So your crystal example would not be a medicine.