California: Governor seeks "referendum proof" illegal alien driver license bill

KFI AM640, Los Angeles, John and Ken Show | March 8, 2004

[John Jorsett]

Just heard an appearance on the John and Ken show by Ron Prince, sponsor of the new Proposition 187-type initiative that (if it gets enough signatures) will appear on the November ballot. Prince reports that an associate was attending a meeting with Schwarzenegger aides, on the subject of how Republican candidates should handle their campaigns. In the course of the discussion, the question of the new illegal alien driver licenses came up. An aide answered, "Don't worry about that, we're going for a 'referendum-proof' version." It seems that if the legislature designates a bill as "urgent," two-thirds of the legislators vote for it, and it's signed by the governor, it becomes law immediately. That means there's no opportunity for a referendum as in non-urgent bills, the technique we used to persuade the legislature to repeal SB60. All that it would take for making SB 1160 (Democrat Assemblyman Gil Cedillo's new illegal alien driver's license bill) urgent is for two Republicans in the state Senate and six in the Assembly to vote for it. According to Prince, it appears that Schwarzenegger is planning on leaning on Republicans to vote for 1160.

It's not clear whether Schwarzenegger is going to succeed with this, but Prince says that the legislature is going to keep running at this until they win. The only way we can get them to stop this nonsense is to pass an initiative (like Prince's new "son of 187" initiative), which can't be overridden by the legislature. Prince says that his initiative needs another 200,000 signatures in the next 6 weeks. Go to www.Save187.com, download the petition, print it out (make sure you make a two-sided printout and not single-sided), sign it, get anyone else you can to sign it, and mail it in. I'm doing that myself right now. I'm fed up with this garbage and it's time to put a stop to it.

I'll also be writing a strong letter to the governor to let him know just how I feel about this attempted end-run around the people. If this turns out to be true, his new name will be Governor Judas as far as I'm concerned.

[Joe Hadenuf]

You seem to enjoy the accoustic disturbance and I wouldn't want to disappoint you. That's why I qualified my statement referring to a half way intelligent person.

Psst, hey CWO if your going to use big words like "acoustic" please, at least learn how to spell it.

I am amused however that my #75 rang your bell.

[CWOJackson]

LOL! You finally found someone who could explain my post to you. Tell them thanks for me.

And sorry sparky, there's probably nothing you could do that would ring my bell. Granted, you provide me a lot of laughter for which I'm eternally grateful.

[CWOJackson]

Oh, yes. See if your benevolent assistant can explain that post a little quicker. The waiting time between your less then pity comments is detracting from your normal amusement value.

[Sabertooth]

I guess that's why the Governor says he's continuing to work with both sides on this issue. Sounds like a work in progress. I'm sure there will be some updated information soon.

You're assuming, without much cause, that the update isn't the information presented in this thread.

Based on what we already know to be true about Schwarzenegger's long-stated desire to give CDLs to Illegals (see #58), I find this story to be highly likely.

[Joe Hadenuf]

LOL! That echo you referred to was your bell being rung.

Bwaaahahaha.

What is CWO stand for CWO? Would that be a former positon you may have held?

[CWOJackson]

Not at all, I'll leave the assumptions to you folks. You seem to be doing an outstanding job with the innuendo and rumors from anonymous aides.

[CWOJackson]

Poor Joe Ineverhavenuf. That echo bouncing around in there isn't a bell, it's from the collision of a few brain cells accidently making contact.

[Joe Hadenuf]

So who is this "other side" you are referring to?

[Joe Hadenuf]

Come on CWO, kick that benevolent assistant in the rear end.

[PRND21]

Psst, hey CWO if your going to use big words like "acoustic" please, at least learn how to spell it.

Your there two, Joe.
Seeing you give English lessons is priceless. Thanks.

[Joe Hadenuf]

Your quite welcome race bait man.

[Sabertooth]

Not at all, I'll leave the assumptions to you folks. You seem to be doing an outstanding job with the innuendo and rumors from anonymous aides.

You first assumed that there was no effort to pass a referendum-proof bill.

When that proved to be an incorrect assumption, you assumed that was a sticking point for Schwarzenegger. You have no evidence for that, named or anonymous, sourced or unsourced.

On the other hand there are quite a few links on this thread where Schwarzengger says he supports CDLs for Illegals and also says he is working with Cedillo on the new bill.

There is at this point no reason to believe Schwarzenegger wouldn't support SB 1160 if it contained an urgency statute.

[CWOJackson]

LOL!

But it hasn't been proven. Since the Governor is still working with both sides of the government to hammer out a bill nothing has been decided.

I know. Why wait for the facts when you can have a perfectly good rush to judgement without them.

[CWOJackson]

Hey Joe Ineverhavenuf...you seem to have forgotten. It's your echo and your assistant.

You're not chewing gum again are you? How many times have I told you about chewing gum and trying to form a complete thought.

[PRND21]

English isn't a race, Joe.

[Joe Hadenuf]

Bump this.....

Prince says that his initiative needs another 200,000 signatures in the next 6 weeks. Go to www.Save187.com, download the petition, print it out (make sure you make a two-sided printout and not single-sided), sign it, get anyone else you can to sign it, and mail it in. I'm doing that myself right now. I'm fed up with this garbage and it's time to put a stop to it.

[calcowgirl]

NOWHERE DOES IT SAY THAT ARNOLD SUPPORTS THE CURRENT SB 1160, which is what people claim.

You're right, it doesn't say "support". It says he is working with Cedillo on it. Same result.

As I said before, some people here aren't interested in the illegal immigration issue, they are interested in attacking Arnold, and this just happens to be an issue they pick up as a weapon.

You're wrong. I'm am ONLY interested in the illegal immigration issue... and if an elected official works contrary to the improvement of this state, I will speak out. If that happens to be Arnold, so be it.

Why aren't you interested in attacking Cedillo, a Democrat, who is the one pushing this bill?

I've written letters and emails to many representatives in Government, including Cedillo. Unfortunately, not being from his district, nor a contributor to his party, I don't expect much response.

[Joe Hadenuf]

You're not chewing gum again are you? How many times have I told you about chewing gum and trying to form a complete thought.

Oh, it's chewing gum quips? Getting a little juvenile there CWO.

[Sabertooth]

But it hasn't been proven. Since the Governor is still working with both sides of the government to hammer out a bill nothing has been decided.

I know. Why wait for the facts when you can have a perfectly good rush to judgement without them.

You did rush, and without the facts.

Folks want to believe all sorts of things about Arnold:

That he really opposes CDLs for Illegals.
That he didn't support the SaveOurLicense referendum out of respect to McClintock.
That he got the Dems to overturn SB 60 on the force of his personality.
That he had no deal with Cedillo, who lobbied to have his own bill overturned.
That he wasn't considering supporting SB 1160 at all.

At every new line in the sand, Arnold's apologists have had to back up and draw another. Now we're told there's no way he would support SB 1160 with an urgency clause.

Time will certainly tell, but it's already established that Arnold is shady on Illegal Alien CDLs, and those trusting him to do the right thing are taking wild leaps of faith.

[CWOJackson]

LOL!

Not at all Joe Ineverhavenuf.

While I enjoy the entertainment value you provide, I don't feel it necessary to have to try and explain things at an age level which would make it easier for you to understand.