California: Governor seeks "referendum proof" illegal alien driver license bill

KFI AM640, Los Angeles, John and Ken Show | March 8, 2004

[John Jorsett]

Just heard an appearance on the John and Ken show by Ron Prince, sponsor of the new Proposition 187-type initiative that (if it gets enough signatures) will appear on the November ballot. Prince reports that an associate was attending a meeting with Schwarzenegger aides, on the subject of how Republican candidates should handle their campaigns. In the course of the discussion, the question of the new illegal alien driver licenses came up. An aide answered, "Don't worry about that, we're going for a 'referendum-proof' version." It seems that if the legislature designates a bill as "urgent," two-thirds of the legislators vote for it, and it's signed by the governor, it becomes law immediately. That means there's no opportunity for a referendum as in non-urgent bills, the technique we used to persuade the legislature to repeal SB60. All that it would take for making SB 1160 (Democrat Assemblyman Gil Cedillo's new illegal alien driver's license bill) urgent is for two Republicans in the state Senate and six in the Assembly to vote for it. According to Prince, it appears that Schwarzenegger is planning on leaning on Republicans to vote for 1160.

It's not clear whether Schwarzenegger is going to succeed with this, but Prince says that the legislature is going to keep running at this until they win. The only way we can get them to stop this nonsense is to pass an initiative (like Prince's new "son of 187" initiative), which can't be overridden by the legislature. Prince says that his initiative needs another 200,000 signatures in the next 6 weeks. Go to www.Save187.com, download the petition, print it out (make sure you make a two-sided printout and not single-sided), sign it, get anyone else you can to sign it, and mail it in. I'm doing that myself right now. I'm fed up with this garbage and it's time to put a stop to it.

I'll also be writing a strong letter to the governor to let him know just how I feel about this attempted end-run around the people. If this turns out to be true, his new name will be Governor Judas as far as I'm concerned.

[StoneColdGOP]

Join Arnold. Or else.

Resistence is futile.

[DManA]

Do citizens have NO remedy when the government refuses to enforce law? This is a conspiracy to evade the law pure and simple.

[FairOpinion]

"According to Prince, it appears that Schwarzenegger is planning on leaning on Republicans to vote for 1160. "

Of course, there is absolutely NO EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT Prince's allegations about Arnold.

These one issue so-called conservatives have so much in common with the leftist Democrats, it's uncanny. Both make up something about the person they want to attack, present it as truth, then criticize it.

It leaves them with ZERO credibility.

[truthkeeper]

I heard the same travesty and it is exactly as you reported. In fact, I was just preparing to post a similar thread except that my title was "Schwarzenegger Preparing to Stab California Voters In Back."

BTW, I believe the man's name is actually "Prinz." As you mentioned, the "urgency clause" neuters our ability to overturn this monstrosity on a referendum, fellow Californians. We'd have to wait to do it as an initiative and there is not enough time to get through by November 2004, so we'd have to wait two years. By that time our state will be flooded with these criminals driving around legally.

Anyway, thanks for the opportunity to vent. And here's a McClintock "I told you so" bump to the top for good measure.

[truthkeeper]

You guys too.

[John Jorsett]

It's good to vent, but it's even better to take action. I just downloaded and printed the petition, and I've already affixed my signature. I'll be getting some additional signatures tomorrw before I send it in.

[John Jorsett]

Ping

[truthkeeper]

You betcha. I'll be banging on the neighbors' doors with it myself.

[FairOpinion]

Please don't take this personally -- you just heard it and posted it.

There is a Washington Times article along those lines -- with the same allegations, short on proof.

Arnold seeks to revamp license bill

http://washingtontimes.com/national/20040301-115949-8170r.htm

NOWHERE does it say, that Arnold would support the current Dem bill, SB 1160. All that's happening, is that Arnold is meeting and talking with the Democrats, but he did not agree to any specific bill.

"Mr. Cedillo has introduced a "spot" bill, SB 1160, that effectively holds a place for the final version. "

Nobody knows what the final version is going to be.

I am all for people writing to Schwarzenegger and the CA Legislature and register their disapproval of the entire idea. I don't like it either.

What upsets me, is that, instead of putting the blame, where it belongs, on the Democrats, who are the ones who keep pushing this, people run and attack Schwarzenegger, who was the one, who got the Legislature to repeal it. Arnold demonstrated with the latest bond initiative, that he is going to go around the Legislature, if the Legislature is not going along with him.

In fact, Arnold is working on getting a Workman's Comp reform bill onto the November ballot, because he couldn't get any action from the Legislature.

[StoneColdGOP]

It isn't just according to Prince. This was news WEEKS AGO when legislative watchers first saw the urgency clause in the bill.

I know it's hard for you to accept but Mr. Schwarzenegger can be, and IS, wrong on this.

Do those "Join Arnold" kneepads ever wear out?

[John Jorsett]

Of course, there is absolutely NO EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT Prince's allegations about Arnold.

These one issue so-called conservatives have so much in common with the leftist Democrats, it's uncanny. Both make up something about the person they want to attack, present it as truth, then criticize it.

Whether you believe this or not, will you download the "save our state" petitions and get some signatures because it's a good idea just on its own merits?

[AEMILIUS PAULUS]

It seems the people holding power have a deep need to force the citizens to relive 1861 to 1865. The present day politicians conduct seems to revitalize the idea of destiny.

[truthkeeper]

Apparently I'm not the only person wondering if there anything, anything at ALL, that Arnold could possibly inflict upon us with which you would not agree 100%?

[John Jorsett]

There is a Washington Times article along those lines -- with the same allegations, short on proof.

The key element in this story is the allegation that a Shcwarzenegger aide said that they were going for the "referendum proof" version of the bill. If that was a true statement by the aide, the only way it could happen is with a two-thirds vote, and the only way that can happen is with Republican help; given the solidarity the Republicans exhibited in the budget battle with Davis, it'll take some pressure from Schwarzenegger to get them to them vote that way. I think Prince (not 'Prinz' as someone else thought it was spelled - I checked) said who it was who told him about the aide, so it should be possible to get at the truthfulness of the allegation. There were supposedly a number of people in the room when it was said.

[truthkeeper]

Yes, the aide's comment was made in response to a direct question from one of the assembly about "What Arnold is planning on doing about the illegal alien driver's license bill." Again, as you said, the aide's response was allegedly, "Oh, don't worry about that. The Governor is working with Gil Cedillo on that."

[expatpat]

There's a lot of sound and fury, but over what? What is the content of the proposed bill (maybe it's a good proposal)?

[FairOpinion]

"Whether you believe this or not, will you download the "save our state" petitions and get some signatures because it's a good idea just on its own merits?"

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I agree.

I just wish that people would direct their ire towards the REAL enemy, the Democrats, instead of CONSTANTLY attacking other Republicans, who are NOT the real problem.

The DEMOCRATS are the real problem and we are NOT going to defeat them with the "circular firing squads" of attacking our own.

[skeeter]

SOME of us aren't surprised.

Others refuse to be.

[skeeter]

SOME of us aren't surprised.

Others refuse to be.