[Cannoneer No. 4]

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[Cannoneer No. 4]

Iraq death spurs push for Humvee armor

[Darksheare]

I'm in.
In my old artillery unit, I drove the advanced party humvee a few times during AT.
We had no way to fire to our front, but we could shoot to our sides.
Basically we ended up doing a 'drive by' shooting on the guys playing Opfor.
Kinda odd to drive with one hand while sticking the 16 over your arm to shoot out through the unzippered window.
I somehow managed.
Obviously not workable during actual combat.
Wish we'd had such a mounting when I was in uniform.

[Ragtime Cowgirl]

Heavily armed humvees are in the Marine Corps' future — but will they come soon enough to help Marines in Operation Iraqi Freedom?

If Maj. Gregory G. Frich has his way, they will.

"Our intent is to make this mount available for OIF II as soon as possible," Frich, 1st Marine Division's ordnance officer, said about a prototype mount that allows attachment of several crew-served machine guns on vehicle doors.

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For the troops!

(bad news for the bad guys, ping!)

[MindBender26]

Vietnam Lessons Learned, (then promptly forgotten) #47:

Never travel in lead position of convoy with vehicle windshield up. Bay Guys hop out in front of vehicle and shoot you, but you can't shoot through windshield because guy in front can't get weapon to bear and guy in back is looking out side.

Why won't windshield fold down on Humvee???????

#48: Take off all canvas. With canvas on, they can shoot at you, but you can't shoot at them 'cause you can't bear on them or even see them. Also when sierra hits the fan, you want multiple ways for 10 people to get in and out of vehicle, in 10 different directions, at same time.

#49: Take off all doors. See last half of #48 for reason.

#50: EVERY jeep (Humvee) is a gun jeep (Humvee). Take off that stupid door mount. Mount pintle for 360 degree swivel MG between seat backs of front seat. Driver drives, co-driver, (senior man in front passenger seat) covers forward. #3 man stands on the 360 degree MG. #4 and #5. sit facing outward, back to back in back seat area.

Floorboards and under seats covered with sandbags.

Everybody practices running pickup, to if vehicle is hit, crew unassed vehicle, goes to ground/ditch just long enough for next vehicle to get into range. Next vehicle ACCELERATES into killing zone, slows down a little, everyone jumps on board hood, back, spare tire, etc. Everyone, is shooting whether they see target or not. #2 vehicle never stops. Everyone unasses the killing zone, loops around behind ambushers and vigorously attacks their flank and flanking rear. Vehicles further in line assume new relative positions (lead, slack, etc) and move through killing zone ASAP

Bodies of bad guy KIAs are put on crown of road next to dead jeep and jeep is burned on spot, or towed away if can be towed quickly.

From first shots of ambush until area cleared, less than 4 min max.