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EX-HUBBY SAW FALL COMING (Martha)
New York Post ^ | 3/08/04 | JOHN LEHMANN

Posted on 03/08/2004 3:23:09 AM PST by kattracks

Edited on 05/26/2004 5:19:58 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

March 8, 2004 -- Martha Stewart's ex-husband, Andy Stewart, feared the princess of perfection's long-held habit of telling whoppers would one day trigger her downfall, a former business partner told The Post yesterday. Norma Collier, who was Martha Stewart's first business partner when they started a catering business in Connecticut in 1974, said yesterday that Stewart's self-made disaster was "very sad" - and almost inevitable.


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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: marthastewart
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To: Howlin
He hates Elizabeth Dole, yet champions Martha Stewart, go figure

Perhaps Martha Stewart is a private citizen and by her actions, not directly harming my freedom? While Elizabeth Dole practically drools over any chance to take a right from the citizens of the respective states and regulate it at the national level? Hmmmmmm....

221 posted on 03/08/2004 5:55:49 PM PST by billbears (Deo Vindice.)
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To: billbears
Martha Stewart lied repeatedly, conspired to cover up her actions, and obstructed justice. This wasn't done out of ignorance; she was a former stockbroker and sat on the Board of the New York Stock Exchange. Just because her case wasn't as large nor as complicated as Enron or WorldCom doesn't make it less worthy of prosecution.

You don't think that crooks in the stock market are worthy of prosecution? You think that people like the Enron people should be allowed to run up a stock and pocket profits, leaving regular investors holding the bag? How in the world are people supposed to invest successfully if no one who breaks the security laws is prosecuted? We all might as well go to Vegas and play roulette!

You are such a Bush antagonist that even when his administration is doing something correct, you are compelled to proclaim it is wrong.

222 posted on 03/08/2004 5:58:32 PM PST by Miss Marple
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To: nopardons
"...glad you didn't take offense."
    I'm a stickler for facts, just like you, np. I'm always grateful for correction. I'd rather live with a little embarassment and just 'fess up, than continue spouting faulty information. I cringe when contemplating how many more knowledgable people have simply written me off without bothering to offer correction. Thanks again!
"SHE WORKED FOR A BUCKET SHOP/BOILER ROOM OPPERATION!"
    Oh, man, this is getting good. Not challenging you or anything (far from it), but if you come across links/sources for this sort of thing, would you lob them my way? I know a couple of books and a slew of articles have been written on MS, but I haven't read much of it. I read somewhere that she started a lawsuit against one of the major tabs for a similarly unflattering portrayal but then abruptly dropped the matter. Hmmm...

223 posted on 03/08/2004 6:00:30 PM PST by Bonaparte
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To: Miss Marple
You don't think that crooks in the stock market are worthy of prosecution?

I don't think I said that. Just not federal prosecution. However I'm not sure I would be willing to bet Stewart's story against someone that was charged in the same crime, whose charge was dropped in exchange for his testimony. Do you think without that testimony the case was open and shut? Considering that more than one securities lawyer, even on Fox, has stated that she probably shouldn't have been charged in the first place I'd say the prosecution's case was quite weak. This whole trial came down to 'he said, she said'. Mind you I don't like Martha Stewart in the least for more than one reason.

224 posted on 03/08/2004 6:21:35 PM PST by billbears (Deo Vindice.)
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To: nopardons
I don't doubt vast relief by her neighbors, but why would Secret Service people be around Martha Stewart?

MM
225 posted on 03/08/2004 6:34:17 PM PST by MississippiMan
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To: billbears
This whole trial came down to 'he said, she said'.

No. It did not. The jury did not have to rely solely on the testimony of Faneuil or even the testimony of Stewart's friends and co-workers. For instance, she went on record with repeated lies on repeated occasions to federal investigators. If you'd read the indictment, the verdict sheet, the transcripts, you would know this. If you had even read the articles posted at FR with some care, you would know this.

When a defendant is being tried on matters related to criminal conspiracy and no evidence is available from court-ordered surveillance of the culprits, defendants are routinely convicted, at least in part, because one of the parties to the conspiracy rolls over on them. That's what Glass did in the Rosenberg trial. It's always up to the trier of fact, in consideration of all available evidence, to decide who is credible and who isn't. In Stewart's case, the jury has spoken. And another jury will speak again when she's tried on fresh charges directly related to the illicit trading.

226 posted on 03/08/2004 6:41:10 PM PST by Bonaparte
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To: grania
I had as much fun as anyone else hypothesizing about Martha's jail cell.

Because of who she is, odds are that Martha will end up doing her time at a federal minimum security "country club" prison. In these types of prisons, the inmates are usually housed in barrack-type facilities and not in individual jail cells.

227 posted on 03/08/2004 6:46:40 PM PST by judgeandjury
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To: billbears
I wonder....would you advocate such a witchhunt if a Democrat was running the show?

When the Watergate breakin hit the news, I was the FIRST person who said if Nixon was involved in any way, shape, or form, he had to go.

Unlike you, my principles don't change depending on whether I like the person or not; the laws are the laws.

228 posted on 03/08/2004 7:11:27 PM PST by Howlin (Charter Member of the Incredible Interlocking Institutional Power!!!!)
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To: Bonaparte
I am a stickler for facts. When I make a mistake, I enthusiastically thank the person who has corrected my error and state that what I said was wrong.To do otherwise, would be hypocritical!I'd rather be corrected, than have an erroneous statement stand.

In "JUST DESSERTS",by Jerry Oppenheimer,pages 118-143 cover the subject. The firm's name was Monness,Williams&Sidel.Monness,Crespi&Hart,BTW, were in on her taking HER stock public! There's tons of stuff about Martha and the BUCKET SHOP/BOILER ROOM etc., in Christopher Byron's " MARTHA INC." too. And If you're up to searching for stuff about Monness,Williams&Hart, from 1973,I'm certain it's in the archives of the WSJ,the N.Y. Times, and the Post and the Daily News' achieves. :-)

Yes,Martha once claimed that she was going to sue,but NEVER did.

And now, Greta has two of her case's jurors, on her show.LOL

229 posted on 03/08/2004 7:12:17 PM PST by nopardons
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To: billbears
The national government has an interest in how markets run. It also has has a very good rational for keeping criminals from prospering from ILLEGAL transactions.

Here's a simple question. A trader buys and sells cattle futures,on the floor,in Chicago.Some trades make money;others don't.That trader takes the profits and sticks them in one or two of his clients' accounts;the other people get a few dimes,or none,and ALL of the loses.This is against the law.This is against SEC and the CBOT rules and regs. Does the government have better things to do, than to go after this crook?

230 posted on 03/08/2004 7:20:08 PM PST by nopardons
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To: billbears
You're just so well informed and write such coherent and intelligent posts....NOT! LOL

And now, you're a flagrant hypocrite to boot.This is just pathetic.

231 posted on 03/08/2004 7:22:27 PM PST by nopardons
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To: MississippiMan
Because she threw fund raisers for Bill & Hill and other Dem politicos.
232 posted on 03/08/2004 7:24:03 PM PST by nopardons
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To: nopardons
This is against SEC and the CBOT rules and regs.

Good, bring out the Hillary question. I answer what a capitalist and a conservative would answer and you can label me a 'Clinton supporter'. Let me ask you a question. What is the point of the SEC other than to 'regulate'(control) trades? Why should the national government be involved in such a transaction? Why wasn't it involved before the mid 1930s? Like a true 'conservative', you advocate continued support of FDR, the man whose actions lengthened the Depression and gave us Social Security.

Of course you ignore Federalist 45 and what it states because you actually believe the national government has an interest in a purely capitalistic venture. The states perhaps but not the national government. Let me state clearly for the daft in the audience. The SEC should not exist. You want to roll back decades of government expansionism not laid out by the men who founded this nation? Start with government organizations and 'programs' established under the leadership of FDR

You can't fathom what a Republic would be because you would have little, if any, say at the national level. You wouldn't be able to worship Bush as you would be more involved at the state level instead of advocating alphabet voting at the national level. The Founders of which you so despise saw the detriment in what this nation of states has become.

You ask me who I would vote for? Someone that states this and actually follows up on it. I could care less who's 'in control' as long as they do what they promise and stick to the Constitution. I may be the lone voice out in the wilderness voting this way but every election I do my best to convince one friend, one coworker, and one family member of the futility of voting R vs D year in and year out. History has proven quite clearly R and D have not worked.

233 posted on 03/08/2004 8:22:24 PM PST by billbears (Deo Vindice.)
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To: Miss Marple
A source about the Federal Sentencing Guidelines? Oh, Lordy, you don't want that!

Well, okay... !

The guidelines themselves are online, I believe. Try this:


http://216.239.53.104/search?q=cache:_siXDzlTGD4J:www.ussc.gov/1998guid/tabcon98.htm++online+%22Federal+Sentencing+Guidelines%22&hl=en&start=1&ie=UTF-8

Believe me, if you were to sit down and figure out the factors that are going into Martha's sentencing--or those which go into ANYONE'S federal sentencing--you would want to be paid for it, b/c it will take you some time!

That cite I gave looks funny, but I tested it and it seems to work. Browse through a little bit--you're gonna love it (not)!
234 posted on 03/08/2004 8:29:45 PM PST by Devil_Anse
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To: Bonaparte
Well, according to this, he did have comments to make. I guess that's typical of an ex!
235 posted on 03/08/2004 8:31:46 PM PST by Devil_Anse
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To: Bonaparte; Miss Marple
I was watching a little of Dominick Dunne's show about Martha. He says he's a friend of hers, and the show wasn't a smear job. However, it did mention that she behaved rather badly when her husband left her for her assistant. (I can understand that she was probably feeling rotten...) The show said Martha was driving around near places where her usurper would be, and yelling obscenities.

At that point, I couldn't help but think, "Martha, in a way you're lucky... if you'd kept doing stuff like that, you might have ended up being Clara Harris". Clara Harris, you might recall, is the elegant-looking woman who ran down HER ex in a parking lot, and is now in prison for a LOT longer than any of the sentences they're considering for Martha.
236 posted on 03/08/2004 8:35:51 PM PST by Devil_Anse
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To: Devil_Anse
Checked again and you're right!

My brother's ex was interviewed by magazine and complained that during the marriage he always got the last word and she could never win an argument. Before publishing, they faxed him the copy and invited his response for publication. His published reply was, "She's right."

237 posted on 03/08/2004 8:43:37 PM PST by Bonaparte
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To: billbears
"Of course you ignore Federalist 45 and what it states because you actually believe the national government has an interest in a purely capitalistic venture."
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The federal government has an explicit constitutional interest in interstate commerce, which is what the stock market engages in. When you live in San Francisco and buy shares through an exchange in New York that provide you with part "ownership" of an enterprise in Missouri, you've just invited the feds into your business.

    Sec 8. Clause 3: To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes
This Constitutional provision doesn't care what you are selling and buying across state lines. It only cares that you are selling and buying something.
________________________________________________________________" Why wasn't it involved before the mid 1930s?"
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    It was. Teddy Roosevelt forced the regulation of trusts. When Morgan, Rockefeller, Harriman and Hill bucked him, he brought suit against their Northern Securities Company, effectively dismantling it. He prevailed and the USSC upheld him on appeal. I guess they never should have crossed state lines.

238 posted on 03/08/2004 9:20:15 PM PST by Bonaparte
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To: kattracks
She's a Democrat....they LIE..PERIOD.
239 posted on 03/08/2004 9:27:37 PM PST by Ann Archy (Abortion: The Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: dwilli
Laws are not for the big people in your eyes?
240 posted on 03/08/2004 9:29:26 PM PST by Ann Archy (Abortion: The Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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