[upchuck]

CBB I understand denigrating the Founding Fathers by instead calling them the "Framers" is the latest politically correct thing to do. I strongly disagree with this move and am sorry you have succumbed. Please come back from the dark side :)

[Congressman Billybob]

I care not what reason others have for using the word Framers, rather than the phrase Founding Fathers. My reason is quite specific. To my view, the FF refers only to those who met in Philadelphia to write the Constitution.

On the other hand, to my view the Framers are ALL of those who played critical roles in the creation of our nation. Sam Adams was nowhere near Philadelphia -- but I count him as a Framer because he created the Sons of Liberty. Tom Paine was not there, but he wrote the words that made us a nation in Common Sense and The American Crisis. Patrick Henry refused to take his elected position in Philadelphia because, as he his purported to have said, "I smelt a rat."

My purpose is to include all of them, including the one that almost no one pays attention to, George Wythe, when I use that word. There's no "dark side" in my writing and thinking.

John / Billybob

[Ready4Freddy]

Nonsense, upchuck. 'Founding Fathers' refers to those involved in the Declaration of Independence, 'Framers' refers to those involved in the writing of the Constitution more than a decade later.

upchuck upchucked thusly:

CBB I understand denigrating the Founding Fathers by instead calling them the "Framers" is the latest politically correct thing to do.