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To: katana; Salman; John H K; Miss Marple; Burkeman1; Sacajaweau; bert
The change in climate probably had more to do with continental drift than any general changes in global temperatures. Antarctica was at one time much closer to if not astride the equator as part of the unified continent of Pangea

ok, a SMALL bit of the climate change could have been plate shift. But even the MOST active plates have been moving less than an inch per year, and Antarctica is not one of them.

But giving it the benefit of the doubt, and using a worst-case 1" per year, only accounts for 1100 miles in 70M years. By comparison, the distance between the North pole and Nome Alaska today is 1700 miles, and no one calls that a "warm climate".

Even the Pangea theory says Antarctica was fairly close to the south pole 135M years ago (shown).

My own opinion, is that IF the earth's climate pendulum is currently swinging toward it's WARMER historical extremes, we're much better off than another ice age! (and the Kyoto global warming due-to-man theory is total B.S.)

Here's what U.W/Stout says about climate changes...


The earth has experienced numerous periods of global cooling and warming. The duration and intensity (degree of cooling and warming) of each period varies. As a period of cooling occurs, glaciers advance and the sea level falls. When warming occurs, the glaciers retreat and the sea level increases.

There exists some evidence that most of the earth's surface was once (maybe several times) covered with ice. This comes from studying the isotopic ratio of carbon 12 and carbon 13 found in ocean floor sediments. This ratio can be related to the average climatic temperature. These measurements suggests a global ice age (or a "snowball earth") happened around 570-700 million years ago and several episodes of glaciation have happened in more recent times (~1 million years ago).

The most recent period of extensive glaciation peaked about 18,000 years ago. Surprisingly, the average global temperature does not need to change significantly for there to be a period of large-scale glaciation. Only about 5oC change is necessary.

The Pleistocene Epoch (about 1 million years ago) of Geologic Time has been called the "Ice Age". About 20 cycles of warming and cooling occurred during this epoch. However, periods of glaciation have happened during other epochs (or periods) of geologic time.

    Why Does the Earth Experience Periods of Warming Or Cooling?
    Theories presented to explain periods of glaciation:
  1. Variations in the Earth's orbit and inclination to the Sun.
  2. Plate tectonics and the changing position of continents.
  3. Changes in the atmosphere. For example, if a sufficient number of volcanoes erupted in a short period of time, the amount of sun light penetrating the atmosphere may decrease from volcanic dust and ash in the upper atmosphere.
  4. Changes in sea water circulation.

Theories 1 and 2 above, seem to hold the most promise and are often cited in explaining the periods of glaciation.

A detailed calculation (using the laws of physics) shows that the Earth undergoes slight variations in its motion with respect to the Sun. This causes differing amounts of sun light to fall on different locations at different times on the Earth. [Credit for the first such analysis is usually given to Milutin Milankovitch, a Yugoslavian scientist.]


81 posted on 03/07/2004 6:06:38 PM PST by Future Useless Eater (Freedom_Loving_Engineer)
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To: FL_engineer
Thanks for the excellent reply containing a wealth of information. Much better than the customary liberal response "We're all gonna die and it's the Republicans' fault!" Like change, death, and extinction are something new.
84 posted on 03/07/2004 6:34:39 PM PST by katana
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To: FL_engineer; All
Why Does the Earth Experience Periods of Warming Or Cooling?
Theories presented to explain periods of glaciation:
  • Variations in the Earth's orbit and inclination to the Sun.
  • Plate tectonics and the changing position of continents.
  • Changes in the atmosphere. For example, if a sufficient number of volcanoes erupted in a short period of time, the amount of sun light penetrating the atmosphere may decrease from volcanic dust and ash in the upper atmosphere.
  • Changes in sea water circulation.

There's another theory that IMO makes more sense -- the Sun (a rather small "dwarfish" star) has a cycle of its own, slowly expanding due to the heat of it ongoing fusion reaction, until it can no longer sustain the reaction. The "missing neutrinos" are therefore, according to this theory, explained by the fact that the Sun is currently not in its fusion state.

Then (according to the theory), as it gradually cools down, it contracts, and compresses, until it reaches a certain point, at which point it again begins the fusion reaction, and the cycle begins anew.

These cycles, again, according to the theory, explain the ice ages that occur every 14,000 years or so. According to the historical cycle, we're already something like 4,000 years into "the next ice age", and it's only several thousand years of human activity that are holding it back.

96 posted on 03/08/2004 8:01:08 AM PST by Don Joe (We've traded the Rule of Law for the Law of Rule.)
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