Kerry Met With Viet Cong And North Vietnamese In Paris In 1971

Congressional Record ^ | March 6, 2004 | John F. Kerry

[Fedora]

I'm not finding the quote readily online. I did find a copy of the Zaroulis and Sullivan book that I could obtain through interlibrary loan if needed. Do you already have a copy or do you want me to try to get ahold of that and scan it in?

[Fedora]

I wonder if that speech was reported in the NYTimes or elsewhere?

What about student newspapers? I believe the University of California at Berkeley has a large archive of student radical newspapers from that time (I have the link somewhere but will need to dig it up); there'd surely be stuff about Kerry in there. Any Freepers with access to the Berkeley library might want to check into this.

[Hon]

"Does anyone know if the article by Kerry in the New Soldier is on line anywhere?"

Kerry only wrote the "epilogue" for "The New Soldier" --though the book also contains his "speech" before the Senate.

The epilogue is posted at wintersoldier.com, but I scanned it from a copy of the book and will provide it for you gratis:

Epilogue

And so a New Soldier has returned to America, to a nation torn apart by the killing we were asked to do. But, unlike veterans of other wars and some of this one, the New Soldier does not accept the old myths.

We will not quickly join those who march on Veterans' Day waving small flags, calling to memory those thousands who died for the "greater glory of the United States." We will not accept the rhetoric. We will not readily join the American Legion and the Veterans of Foreign Wars-in fact, we will find it hard to join anything at all and when we do, we will demand relevancy such as other organizations have recently been unable to provide. We will not take solace from the creation of monuments or the naming of parks after a select few of the thousands of dead Americans and Vietnamese. We will not uphold traditions which decorously memorialize that which was base and grim.

It is from these things the New Soldier is asking America to turn. We are asking America to turn from false glory, hollow victory, fabricated foreign threats, fear which threatens us as a nation, shallow pride which feeds off fear, and mostly from the promises which have proven so deceiving these past ten years.

For many of us there is little to remember but the promises and, most poignantly, the loss of the symbols of those promises -- of John and Robert Kennedy, of Martin Luther King, Jr., of Medgar Evers, of Fred Hampton and Malcolm X, of Allison Krause, Sandy Scheuer, Jeffrey Miller, and William Schroeder from Kent State and Philip Gibbs and James Green from Jackson State; the loss, too, of friends, of Richard Pershing, Peter Johnson, Johnny White, Don Droz, and the other 53,000 Americans who have lost their lives in this degrading and immoral war. The promises of peace candidates who were not peacemakers; of civil rights laws which were not enforced; of educational and medical aid which was downgraded in priority below bombs and guns; of equal opportunity while Mexican-Americans and blacks were drafted in numbers disproportionate to their representation in this country and then made up casualties in even greater disproportion.

I think that, more than anything, the New Soldier is trying to point out how there are two Americas -- the one the speeches are about and the one we really are. Rhetoric has blinded us so much that we are unable to see the realities which exist in this country.

We were sent to Vietnam to kill Communism. But we found instead that we were killing women and children. We knew the saying "War is hell" and we knew also that wars take their toll in civilian casualties. In Vietnam, though, the "greatest soldiers in the world," better armed and better equipped than the opposition, unleashed the power of the greatest technology in the world against thatch huts and mud paths. In the process we created a nation of refugees, bomb craters, amputees, orphans, widows, and prostitutes, and we gave new meaning to the words of the Roman historian Tacitus: "Where they made a desert they called it peace."

The New Soldier has come back determined to make changes without making the world more unjust in the effort to make it just. We have come back determined that human will can control technology and that there is greater dignity and power in human spirit than we have yet been willing to grant ourselves. In Vietnam we made it particularly easy to deny that spirit. We extended an indifference which has too often been part of this country's history and made it easy for men to deal in abstractions. "Oriental human beings" -- "gooks" -- "body count" -- "Nape" -- "Waste 'em" -- "free-fire zone" -- "lf they're dead, they're VC" -- the abstractions took command from the commanders themselves and we realized too late that we were the prisoners of our own neglect and callowness.

By discussing crimes committed in war, the New Soldier is trying to break through the callowness and end the neglect. Regardless of whether crimes have been committed in other wars or even by the other side in this one, America must understand how our participation in Vietnam and the methods and motives used by American fighting men are part of a continuing national moral standard. As New Soldiers we are seeking to elevate that standard as well as to demonstrate where it has been part of a significant illusion. Individuals are trying, by denying themselves the luxury of forgetting about their acts, to spare others the agony of having to commit them at some time in the future.

This is not to say that all soldiers have departed Vietnam with the same feelings about their military service. Certainly not all veterans of this war are New Soldiers. Not all want to be or even understand what many of their veteran contemporaries are trying to say.

Even among the New Soldiers, in our hatred for the war and our drive for change, there is a wide divergence on approaches to change, or, for that matter, on what causes the need for change. I know that my own views do not necessarily represent the feelings of some Vietnam Veterans Against The War. But among all there is an intense and deep-rooted agreement that America has lost sight, hopefully only temporarily, of much that we knew as our greatness.

The New Soldier does not have all the answers. We do not even pretend to. Unquestionably we lack some of the depth of experience from which to provide guidelines for many policy questions. We are aware also of all the traditional arguments -- that those in power have access to information, that America can do no wrong, that America has particular interests which it must safeguard, and so on. In reality, however, there is a big difference between these arguments and what happens to the people involved. In the end, the abstractions never convey the reality of human life.

To be sure, those who make the decisions experience special interest pressures which others, not directly involved in the decision-making process, will not feel. Consequently, those on the outside of the power spectrum find it easier to prescribe solutions for the myriad problems we confront today. In their simplicity these solutions sometimes ignore reality. But more often they cut to the quick of the problem and those on the outside of the power structure show in the absoluteness of their criticisms and demands more wisdom, more moral strength, more compassion, and far more willingness to consider what effect the prescribed solution will have on people -- not the people whose security and social welfare is already guaranteed, but those thousands who are literally and figuratively "in the street."

I myself went into the service with very little awareness of the people in the streets. I accepted then and still accept the idea of service to one's country. But because of all that I saw in Vietnam, the treatment of civilians, the ravaging of their countryside, the needless, useless deaths, the deception and duplicity of our policy, I changed. Traditional assumptions and expectations simply were not enough. I still want to serve my country. I am still willing to pick up arms and defend it -- die for it, if necessary. Now, however, I will not go blindly because my government says that I must go. I will not go unless we can make real our promises of self-determination and justice at home. I will not go unless the threat is a real one and we all know it to be so. I will not go unless the people of this country decide for themselves that we must all of us go.

J.K.

[mystery-ak]

More evidence that Kerry is a traitor...show it to your boys.

[Interesting Times]

Hello again.

We posted the information about Kerry having met with North Vietnamese and PRG (Vietcong) representatives in Paris several days ago on WinterSoldier.com -- see the February 27 link in What's New. It isn't clear to me that Kerry joined the other 2 VVAW representatives on the 1971 trip, however -- he may well have gone earlier, possibly in 1970. Interestingly, Jane Fonda *was* in Paris in March, 1971 and had a private meeting with Madame Bihn of the PRG. (see "Aid and Comfort")

Tying down exactly when Kerry went to Paris and with whom would be rather a valuable piece of information...

[kellynla]

Gaspar, I haven't followed the history of Kerry but my hunch is that when he appeared before Congress in '71 all he did was repeat a lot of lies from other people of which we now know some were never in the service and some may have been in the service but were never in Nam. Bottom line, Kerry was telling a lot of "war stories" and we all know about those "war stories"...the guys with the most "war stories" never saw combat. Most guys who were in combat spent years trying to put it behind them not spending years reliving them. There has to be a very good reason why Kerry won't release his medical records from the Navy. And I am betting dollars to donuts the reason is that those 3 PH's are "paper cuts" that he should have never received the Purple Heart for.

[FairOpinion]

Great pix, but big OOPS.

Corbis demanded that we never use their pictures on FR, they threatened to sue, etc.

Admin Mod -- please remove

[dalebert]

Is Kerry a communist?

[Hon]

It's watermarked.

[FairOpinion]

Picture in post 165 has Corbis watermark.

Please see my earlier post 168 & the thread posted by Jim Robinson about the Corbis copywrite complaint - they don't want us to use their photos.

Copyright complaint from Corbis
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1084067/posts


Has that copywrite issue been resolved and now it's OK to post Corbis photos?

I just want to make sure FR stays out of trouble.

[FairOpinion]

That's still a problem -- see

Copyright complaint from Corbis
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1084067/posts


It's a big flap recently -- on account of those Kerry-Fond picture, which was doctored to have them stand next to each other.

Please read the Corbis complaint and Jim Robinson's reply in the thread above.

Believe me, I am not trying to be picky -- just read that and you'll see.

BTW -- I think you are doing a fantastic job in digging things up on Kerry! :)

[Hon]

One of the peculiar things about Kerry's testimony to the Senate and his remarks to the media was his claims that he had personally been involved in "search and destroy missions" and personally "set fire to villages."

He was on a damn boat.

[AppyPappy]

At one point, he got off the boat to shoot a wounded enemy soldier.

[Hon]

I know. In fact, he got off the boat twice that day. He had also gotten off the boat a few days earlier to go chase a pig.

But he wasn't supposed to.

[jrlc]

Check the Communist Daily World -- they reported extensively on Kerry during 1971 -- stories and photos. The Communist Daily World is available through NEXUS/LEXUS -- the legal database, available to lawyers and law offices. Here's the website for the archived Communist Daily World back issues:
http://www.lexisnexis.com/academic/2upa/Ars/NewspapersAmericanCommunistParty.asp
This ought to be a goldmine of info on Kerry's anti-American activities as a VVAW leader.

[kellynla]

Well Hon, you've done a lot more research on Kerry than I have so you know that the guy is capable of telling some real whoppers! LOL I think he's spent the last thirty years padding his resume.

[kellynla]

Ya know, Hon since you have a lot more knowledge of Kerry than most I would see if I could find out more about those Purple Hearts if I were you...there is something very fishy about them and the fact that Kerry won't release his medical records. I bet you'll find that those PH's were commended to him on false pretenses.

[faithincowboys]

This is gonna be fun, did you make that? It's great!

[KQQL]

No I found it @

http://politicalhumor.about.com/