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FRN Columnists' Corner - "Outing Gay Marriage" By Rabbi Aryeh Spero
Free Republic Network ^ | 3-2-04 | Rabbi Aryeh Spero

Posted on 03/05/2004 6:23:10 PM PST by Bob J

When Hillary Clinton speaks, Democrats listen. Recently she proclaimed that the upcoming 2004 Presidential election will revolve around the issue of “gay marriage.” Seeing that the economy is rebounding – tax cuts do work – and that Americans, wisely, trust President Bush more than Democrats in our war against terrorism, Democrats are losing the two issues upon which they had hoped to campaign. Enter gay marriage, i.e., the old stand-by social issues favored by Democrats.

But why use gay marriage – which is not supported by most Americans – as the wedge issue when for the past thirty years abortion-at-all-costs, “open abortion,” has been the social issue exploited by Democrats. Mrs. Clinton’s announcement coming as it did just four days after Arnold Schwartznegger’s election as Governor of California reveals a conclusion reached by Liberal chieftains at the post mortem pow-wow: Republicans can carry socially liberal suburbanites while remaining somewhat principled on the issue of abortion. The formula, as demonstrated by Schwartznegger, is to oppose late-term and partial-birth abortion and be in favor of parental notification while, in the name of juridical precedent, not calling to overturn Roe vs. Wade. It’s hard for Democrats to paint forever a candidate as a “religious zealot” when said candidate is not arrayed against Roe v. Wade albeit conservative in every other facet of the abortion controversy.

Having lost, as California showed, their ace-in-the-hole social issue, Democrats will desperately try to convince the public that today’s “religious zealots” – the ones to be feared – are those opposed to gay marriage. Democrats know that here, in contrast to abortion, there is no room to maneuver, since there are no phases and stages, nor are there different facets and scenarios to the question. It is either yes a marriage or not, with even Schwartznegger-type Republicans opposing it, saying no.

Democrats realize most Americans oppose gay marriage, but are convinced that by branding Republicans opposed to it “religious extremists,” the dark cloud of “extremism” will hover over Republican candidates resulting in voters afraid and wary of the candidates’ extremism extending beyond gay marriage into other areas of civic life. In other words, the goal of the religious extremism smear is intended not so much to carry the day for gay marriage as it is as a disqualifier, as a device to brand Republicans as those against any separation of church and state or, due to religion, intolerant.

So while there is no wiggle room here – we are opposed – we can explain our position in such a way that will not have us fall into the trap Hillary Clinton and cohorts have set for us. We do so by justifying our position not on the religious, biblical description of homosexuality as an abomination but on the classic, universal definition of marriage, one held until today even among secularists, namely: marriage is the honored union of man and woman only. Our argument is definitional not theological. It is neutral.

This understanding of marriage is intuitive, so much so that long-winded explanations and philosophic retorts are unnecessary and counter-productive. Our simple but firm definition of what constitutes marriage will ring innately true to those who hear it. People need not be convinced or persuaded by that which they already believe. They do, however, need to be strengthened by having what they believe affirmed and declared by others.

By limiting our rationale to definition only – a baseball is not a football, purple is not green– arguments based on emotion or goodwill become irrelevant. A definition is objective, not subjective. Legal definitions are neutral, they can’t change simply because we will them to. The question is divorced from the fashionable categories of tolerance, fairness, choice, quality relationships. It is simply definitional.

For victory’s sake and so as not to be pigeonholed, the understandable urge to describe homosexuality as an abomination, or unnatural, should during public debate be discarded, for such rationales imply a desire to prohibit such conduct even privately, outside marriage – a stance most Americans will not support given their general belief that personal conduct between consenting adults is a private, non-governmental matter.

Marriage is, however, a public matter, has always and remains today a category requiring state and community sanction. While we don’t record private sexual conduct, we do record at City Hall marriages. As one of society’s legal cornerstones, such as contracts, marriage has from time immemorial – everywhere and in religious and pagan cultures –demanded definition. Its definition, its reality, was long ago established in Western civilization as being a committed union between male and female, publicly acknowledged.

Even in pagan but classic ancient Greece where love between men (and boys) was extolled as better and more pure than that between man and woman, marriage was acclaimed and consummative between men and women only. That which between men was characterized as sex, between man and woman constituted consummation.

Furthermore, were there for some reason to be no homosexual activity between two men in a given relationship, marriage between them would still be an impossibility given that by definition two members of the same gender, even if their relationship is platonic, cannot partner under the historic rubric and understanding of marriage. Thus it is not so much a condemnation of the sexual activity as it is fealty to a legal definition; a category already subsumed within the collective unconscious.

In fact, in Deuteronomy 24:1 when speaking of marriage, Scripture states, “When a man shall take a woman for a wife…”, clearly articulating that such partnership is between man and woman only, though the chapter in which this statement is made is not one dealing with homosexuality nor is reference made to procreation.

For the religious believer, the argument against partnership per se should not be construed as a cop-out given that Scripture itself makes such a point and in today’s world being religious often means simply upholding age-old standards. Furthermore, agnostics can feel comfortable when a position is based not on religion but honest definition. The same applies to those who, while not overtly religious, value the concept of enduring traditions.

Unlike in Europe, most Americans are connected to the notion of traditional values when not overladen by too much religious theology. Unanchored liberals may equalize every conceivable lifestyle, blue-collar Democrats will not.

As demonstrated every time a new social issue arises, liberals will again accuse us of being the political step-children of those who seventy years ago were intolerant of Blacks. Let not our endless desire for atonement on the black/white issue or our need to be hailed as tolerant coerce us to accept new definitions of marriage. While the previous situation may have involved bigotry, opposition to gay marriage is not rooted in bigotry, rather intellectual honesty.

The “slippery slope” argument that gay marriage will lead to even worse scenarios not only weakens our case but also displays a failure to grasp how gay marriage is in itself an unacceptable final frontier, a breaking point. Those such as candidtes John Kerry, John Edwards and the rest of the Democrat team who say they oppose gay marriage yet support civil unions are skirting the issue and playing both sides. Its deleterious effect on society makes it an issue that cannot be finessed by the finessers.

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Rabbi Aryeh Spero is president of Caucus for America. He is a Radio Free Republic talk show host and contributes to national newspapers and journals such as The Washington Times, Policy Review, Human Events, the New York Sun, Jewish World Review, Midstream, Tradition, Judaism and leading Anglo-Jewish weeklies. He can be reached at caucusforamerica@att.net.


TOPICS: Editorial
KEYWORDS: frncc; homosexualagenda; marriage; samesexmarriage; spero

1 posted on 03/05/2004 6:23:10 PM PST by Bob J
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To: Bob J
I think the rabbi needs to come in out of the sun.
2 posted on 03/05/2004 6:26:14 PM PST by jaime1959
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To: jaime1959
Why?
3 posted on 03/05/2004 6:38:34 PM PST by freebilly
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To: freebilly
He thinks gay "marriage" is a good issue for the Dems. That's f-ing nuts!
4 posted on 03/05/2004 6:44:16 PM PST by jaime1959
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To: Bob J
The Clintons are promoting this as "the" issue of this election. This means they are applying the coup de grace to Kerry's campaign with the delicious added feature that he will himself pull the trigger.

Ignoring 5000 years of clarity on this issue, the drones in the mainstream press have suddenly discovered a crisis that will not wait, that must be resolved not in our generation but during this election cycle. The press outcry is startling in its uniformity, and that is the most interesting part of this story. The sheer artificiality of both the issue and the press coverage of it is breath-taking. The level of control over the press, the embarrassing conformity displayed is to me the real story here.

This is a DNC and media creation from start to finish and no one should take it seriously at all except to call them on it and wrap it around their necks.
5 posted on 03/05/2004 6:54:24 PM PST by marron
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To: jaime1959
Actually, he thinks the Dems think that gay "marriage" is a good issue for them. I don't believe he agrees with them. The author is discussing ways in which the right can fight against the notion of gay "marriage" without being branded as "homophobic", "religious zealots", "extremists", etc.

I think he makes some good points.

6 posted on 03/05/2004 8:22:23 PM PST by freebilly
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To: jaime1959
You are missing the point Rabbi Aryeh Spero
is making. He says the DemocRATS know Bush has them beat on the economy, war on terror and his 4 years of being President.

So, they invent a wedge issue to again raise the specter that Republicans are dominated by that scary, intolerant religious right. The issue they now use is gay marriage.

The rabbi says don't let them dominate that discussion by raising just religious or anti-gay arguments. We need to say man-woman marriage is what marriage has been and should be as it is the glue to society. It's function is to make and raise children and to pass the wealth we produce to the next generation by our choice, not via government confiscation. We also say if a change is coming on the definition, it should be by society agreeing, not 4 or 5 judges who want to carve a notch on their gavels.
7 posted on 03/05/2004 8:24:45 PM PST by RicocheT
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To: RicocheT
We need to say man-woman marriage is what marriage has been and should be as it is
the glue to society. It's function is to make and raise children and to pass the
wealth we produce to the next generation by our choice, not via government confiscation.


Someone should get an audio file of an interview of feminist attorney
Gloria Allred from Monday of last week.
Interviewer Mark Taylor (on KKLA 99.5FM in Los Angeles) asked Allred how, given the
"equal protection" arguments for gay marriage...how would polygamy and incestuous
unions be prevented.

Allred said there were all sorts of public policy reasons for restricting those
sorts of unions.
Taylor said "Huh, how can you prevent two brothers from marrying? They won't be
birthing any inbred children!"

Allred was speechless, muttered some "uhs" for about 20 seconds, then moved on
without answering the question...
8 posted on 03/05/2004 8:35:44 PM PST by VOA
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To: *Homosexual Agenda; EdReform; scripter; GrandMoM; backhoe; Yehuda; Clint N. Suhks; saradippity; ...
Homosexual Agenda Ping.

Reasonable arugments against "gay" marriage from the rabbi.

Let me know if anyone wants on/off this ping list...
9 posted on 03/05/2004 8:41:30 PM PST by little jeremiah (...men of intemperate minds can not be free. Their passions forge their fetters.)
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To: Bob J
Thanks for finding and posting this article.

This explains why we have seen the deluge of gay marriages, the defense of gay marriages in the liberal fish wraps and of course on ABCNNBC BS.

Lets hope that they are as wrong on this strategy as they have been on everything else the past few years.
10 posted on 03/05/2004 9:46:40 PM PST by Grampa Dave (Just say no to all Heinz products. Stop your $'s from going to the Tides Foundation.)
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To: Grampa Dave
I didn't have to find it, the Rabbi is a show host on Radio FreeRepublic!
11 posted on 03/05/2004 9:48:40 PM PST by Bob J (www.freerepublic.net www.radiofreerepublic.com...check them out!)
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To: Bob J
You still had to "find it" and post it.

Thanks. The Rabbi has answered my questions on why the level of of this attack from the left.
12 posted on 03/05/2004 9:53:42 PM PST by Grampa Dave (Just say no to all Heinz products. Stop your $'s from going to the Tides Foundation.)
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To: Grampa Dave
Fair enough.
13 posted on 03/05/2004 10:00:13 PM PST by Bob J (www.freerepublic.net www.radiofreerepublic.com...check them out!)
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To: Bob J
I have saved your thread re what The Rabbi said. I will be reposting it for awhile when the reports come in around the nation about gay marriages.

The political cartoonists were carrying this battle spear to make republicans look like zealots over a week ago. That does not happen that fast unless there was pre planning.
14 posted on 03/05/2004 10:04:45 PM PST by Grampa Dave (Just say no to all Heinz products. Stop your $'s from going to the Tides Foundation.)
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To: Bob J
The definition of marriage is a powerful argument that many on FR have used in discussions on the subject. The point is that unique persons/places/things/events/actions receive their own word. The union of a man and woman is a unique event that cannot be paralleled by a homosexual union. One can go into the psychological differences that must be blended, the aspirational differences, the socializational differences, the procreational differences, the appearance differences, the physiological differences....etc.

All these mean that male/female union is unique and deserving of its own word.

One minor difference I have with the rabbi is that once the person is nodding with us on the definition of marriage, then there are other arguments that might also be used to influence. They range from social structural arguments to natural law arguments to religious arguments.

Xzins
Chaplain (Retired) USA
15 posted on 03/06/2004 7:07:02 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army and Proud of it!!)
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To: xzins
H.J. Res. 56 and S.J. Res. 26
Amendment Text:

Marriage in the United States shall consist only of the union of a man and a woman.
Neither this Constitution or the constitution of any State, nor state or federal law,
shall be construed to require that marital status or the legal incidents thereof be conferred
upon unmarried couples or groups
.


The amendment defines what marriage is.
It does not ban any specific alternative lifestyle.
It is only the arrogance of the homosexuals that makes the
assume it is only about them.
The homosexuals want to choose the religion enemy because
many tune out when they hear religion.
16 posted on 03/06/2004 8:32:25 AM PST by longtermmemmory (Vote!)
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To: freebilly
As demonstrated every time a new social issue arises, liberals will again accuse us of being the political step-children of those who seventy years ago were intolerant of Blacks. Let not our endless desire for atonement on the black/white issue or our need to be hailed as tolerant coerce us to accept new definitions of marriage.

This is good.

While the previous situation may have involved bigotry, opposition to gay marriage is not rooted in bigotry, rather intellectual honesty.

This is not good. He's talking in terms of "definition." A "definition" will only work, if you're talking to people who accept it. Preaching to the choir will just lose the congregation. And where's the intellectual honesty of talking about (supposedly non-religious) "definitions," when your real opposition is religious?

The “slippery slope” argument that gay marriage will lead to even worse scenarios not only weakens our case but also displays a failure to grasp how gay marriage is in itself an unacceptable final frontier, a breaking point.

Here's where his dishonesty comes back to bite him in the tuchus. The "slippery slope" argument is the best one to use, in dealing with those who don't think that queer marriage as such is so terrible. If you're going to say that queer marriage, in and of itself, is terrible, then what's your reason? If you say, "definition," you're just being circular. You might as well say, "Because."

17 posted on 03/06/2004 2:02:29 PM PST by mrustow
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