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To: Wicket
You're so right. I have noticed that there's been a lot of cutting off of hands for theft, stoning or hanging for adultery, mass burials, tearing people to shreds (like the young man with the Israeli soldiers about six months ago) and crashing into buildings killing thousands done by Christians recently. Yep, I can see the equivalence.

That makes what they did in the 4th and 5th centuries OK, does it?
The only reason Christians haven't done this kind of thing lately is that they haven't had to.

So9

14 posted on 03/05/2004 12:46:08 PM PST by Servant of the 9 (Screwing the Inscrutable or is it Scruting the Inscrewable?)
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To: Servant of the 9
The oft cited atrocities pinned on the Christians in that era are bogus. Authentic Christians, not the institutional, religious and cultural Christian whores of that time, are representative of what God wants. Of course, the same argument can be made of the 'peaceful' religion of Islam.

However, I am quite aware the Koran teaches war against infidels in various parts of its ever poetical ramblings. However, the Good Book teaches no such thing. So, the question is "Who was/is really following their religion and who was/is perverting it?". Answer that question and you have an answer to your problem with the Inquistions, etal.

Jesus addressed this a few years back when He said, "Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord', will enter the kingdom of heave, but only he who does the will of my Father in heaven...then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!"

23 posted on 03/05/2004 1:32:15 PM PST by harbinger of doom
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To: Servant of the 9
The only reason Christians haven't done this kind of thing lately is that they haven't had to.

What an ignorant statement. Even in the most recent historical examples of Christian brutality (against Native Americans) there was considerable condemnation of the practice from within Christendom; the dissenters pointed out that such barbarity was against Christ's teachings. Where is the parallel condemnation of Sharia from within mainstream Islam? If it's there at all, it's pretty tepid. And such Islamic dissenters as there are can't make the case that forced conversions & stonings are betrayals of the teachings of Muhammad.

39 posted on 03/05/2004 2:26:22 PM PST by xlib
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To: Servant of the 9
Christians are the majority in many countries, no killings.

You say that is because they do not need to.......yet the point is that Muslim fundamentalist will rule by the sword, just as they do today, without any apparent need.

The wrongs done by early century so-called Christians do not in any way bring even fundamentalist Christians to par with their Muslim counterparts.

No man can kill for his Christian Faith and actually be a Christian.

53 posted on 03/05/2004 3:33:43 PM PST by CyberCowboy777 (We should never ever apologize for who we are, what we believe in, and what we stand for.)
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To: Servant of the 9
No, it doesn't make it right. Some things done in the name of Christianity in the past, and even now, are appalling and shameful. However, they are against Christian teaching. Love your enemy, love your neighbor as yourself, turn the other cheek, every person (no matter their age, mental or physical capacity, race, sex) is equally worthy of your love and care because they are loved by God We believe that all are hopelessly lost and evil without the assistance and redemption of a loving God, through Christ.

That is part of the reason why horrid things done in the name of Christianity are relatively infrequent, and modest in comparison to those done in the name of non-religious political goals - Pol Pot, Mao Tse Tung, Stalin, Hitler - and more recently, Saddam Hussein. It doesn't give Christianity a free pass for not intervening more aggressively in eras like Hitler's Germany with the Jews. However,history also shows Christians founding and supporting hospitals and universities, anti-slavery movements, pro-life and anti-euthanasia, assistance to the poor and sick, and so forth because of their faith.

Islam, on the other hand, talks in terms of jihad, of subjugating or killing those who don't believe. No one of the Islamic faith knows how they are viewed by Allah until they die, with one exception. Someone who dies in Jihad immediately goes to heaven.

The differences in these beliefs affects behavior. There are lots of folks in both faith systems that don't particularly live what they think they believe - and just want to be left alone to make their own decisions and raise their families. For Christianity, you might call those folks "Christmas Christians" - who love that baby in a manger story and all the decorations and presents, but it doesn't alter their behavior much. However, those who take their belief seriously between these two faiths would strongly tend toward completely different actions.


59 posted on 03/05/2004 5:37:41 PM PST by Wicket (God bless and protect our troops and God bless America)
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To: Servant of the 9
The only reason Christians haven't done this kind of thing lately is that they haven't had to.

What do you mean by that?

Christians are bloodthirsty animals who like to torture people?

66 posted on 03/05/2004 5:54:16 PM PST by stands2reason
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