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"You issued three unsolicitied personal attacks on me (939, 942, and 979)."

You know, prior to reading this statement, I hadn't read the whole thread, just the last couple pages, but when I saw this, I had to check your references, because I'm always fascinated by what people will call a "personal attack", and how rarely it actually is one.

/rant on

And man, do you exaggerate. For one, post 979 isn't even from sfRummyGirl to you, nor is any neighboring post that I can see. Another "personal attack", apparently, is the response "Balogna. And not the fat free kind" to you putting yourself on a pedestal of tolerance.

That's a personal attack? Man, if you consider that a personal attack, no wonder you think the movie is anti-Semitic. One has to wonder, being how sensitive you are to the slightest slight, how you can miss the massive insult of accusing Christians of being so anti-Semitic that they're just -looking- for a reason to start another pogrom (despite the fact that there's been ONE Passion-inspired murder of a Jew since the Middle Ages, in Germany, and never once in the United States).

Oh, and by the way, I'm agnostic. I don't feel -personally- insulted or offended when I see people act as if most Christians are closet Jew-haters, but I am offended -for- them. I find the more-than-simply-implied insult of the critics to be INFINITELY more hostile and bigoted than anything Gibson has said. Hell, I find it more bigoted than anything Hutton has said. Hutton isn't going around claiming that Jews are closet murderers waiting in the wings for any reason to kill Christians, the way Maureen Dowd and Charles Krauthammer do.

I saw the film for the first time today, and I can tell you that I am now absolutely -repulsed- by the critics of this movie now (the ones charging that it is anti-semitic, that is). They repulse me because they are anti-Christian bigots of the highest order. The claims I have seen made about this movie are of such outrageously false nature that I can see nothing else to explain it but sheer malevolence and -virulent- anti-Christian bigotry.

No, I cannot even -fathom- how anyone can look at this movie and claim anti-Semitism, unless they are themselves -virulently- anti-Christian. I cannot fathom how someone can honestly believe that the Jews were depicted in a worse light than Romans - it's not even -close-. Every single good person in this movie (other than Claudia, who is pagan) is a Jew!!!! I cannot fathom some of the lies I've seen stated, such as the lie I heard on TV that "the movie leaves out Jesus saying "Forgive them" - BULL - he says it THREE TIMES in the movie, more than in the Bible! - or the lie that "Gibson leaves out anything that makes Jews look good" - BULL, he -fabricated- stuff that makes Jews look good that wasn't in the Bible, like some high priests in the sanhedrin defending Jesus!!

The simple fact is, as of seeing that movie today, this agnostic is now far more worried about anti-Christian sentiment on the part of Jews, than of anti-Jewish sentiment on the part of Christians. That has been a result of the demonization and absolutely horrific and vicious propaganda I have seen directed against Gibson and Christians in response to this movie, and how much of it is coming from Jews.

The only thing about this movie that could spur anti-Semitism is the incredibly bigoted behavior of the Jewish critics of this movie (though I realize it's not limited to them). From what I've seen of your posts, you are among them.

Me, I know there's a good number of Jews on this board who have defended Gibson and criticized the critics. I am very grateful for them, because frankly without them, the sheer and malevolent bigotry I've seen directed against Christians (of which I am not, remember) by Jews lately would tempt me to become an anti-Semite - not because they're supposed to be greedy, or because they're supposed to have killed Christ, or any other stereotype - but because so many of them are EVERY BIT the bigots than they accuse Christians of being!

So no, I don't see your criticisms as "trying to sow tolerance", sorry. If you cared about tolerance, you'd be outraged at the lies that have been told about Gibson and this movie, and at least COGNIZANT of the vast collective-guilt implications of the accusations being made. No, what you care about is tolerance for yourself, while incredibly bigoted innuendo, slander and persecution against Christians gets a free pass. That ain't tolerance.

/rant off

Qwinn

Oh, and by the way, I'm agnostic.

I don't have the same expectations of your behavior as those who claim the name.

The only thing about this movie that could spur anti-Semitism is the incredibly bigoted behavior of the Jewish critics of this movie (though I realize it's not limited to them). From what I've seen of your posts, you are among them.

You have called me a bigot. I have not called you a comparable name. In fact, I don't even think I wrote any comments directed to you.

Me, I know there's a good number of Jews on this board who have defended Gibson and criticized the critics. I am very grateful for them, because frankly without them, the sheer and malevolent bigotry I've seen directed against Christians (of which I am not, remember) by Jews lately would tempt me to become an anti-Semite - not because they're supposed to be greedy, or because they're supposed to have killed Christ, or any other stereotype - but because so many of them are EVERY BIT the bigots than they accuse Christians of being!

There really are not that many Jews on this board. Most Jews who participate in the Jewish communities would be shocked at what goes on here and/or it would reinforce their stereotyped perceptions of conservatives, RightWingChristians, whatever label they might use to describe the various folks (many of whom are very good people and inspiring) who read and post on FR. This post of yours would reinforce those stereotypes.

I note that you have seen the movie and it seems to have produced in you much anger and hatred toward those who criticize the movie, especially those who are Jews. In fact you blame said Jews should they become the object of the Antisemitism you write you are tempted to employ. That would seem to put you in an at risk category after you have seen this movie.