The Passion Aftermath (Leftist Rabbi SLAMS Mel and His Passion - [interesting read though])

AISH.COM ^ | March 1, 2004 | Rabbi Benjamin Blech

[Fenris6]

While we're on the subject - i have some Jewish friends who always invite me over to Satyr (sp?). Something odd - I forget the details - something about getting rid of all non-kosher dinnerware - most families just donate it to the needy. But these people "sell" if to non-Jewish friends for a $1, then "buy" the stuff back afterwards. Isn't this hypocritical? Seemed very deceptive (sacriligious to me).

I mean, if you're not going to adhere to you own riuals, fine. But don't demean the whole thing for the sake of convenience. Anyone know if this is normal?

[thoughtomator]

The reviews were divergent because the vast majority of reviewers went into the movie with preconceptions they wanted to justify.

I just went to see a movie... it's not my religion, so I didn't take it any more seriously than Lord of the Rings.

[thoughtomator]

It's called a "Seder", and it's the celebration of the Passover holiday (tenth plague and all that). Technically, you're not supposed to have non-kosher dinnerware to begin with, so the practice you describe with regards to selling it and buying it back is unrelated to anything actually in Judaism, and is probably a local tradition, if it is a tradition at all. The closest thing I can think of is the tradition of removing all leavened bread from the home before Passover, but the bread is discarded, not merely transferred for a duration.

[Maximilian]

When he ran into a woman at the theater who said exactly what he wanted her to say, I began to smell a little Jason Blair in the story; not surprising, then, that he has run into Ernest Hemingway somewhere along the way, who also confirmed his wisdom in a most succinct way.

I was thinking the same thing subliminally, but thank you for articulating it so well. Let's face it, Rabbi, you're a liar. Just like the thread this morning about the letter to the editor of the LA Times from a teacher claiming that a student came into class after watching the movie and told her "Now I hate all Jews." Turns out another freeper located her as a teacher at a very rich and prestigious school that's practically all Jewish. Her statement is just as credible as the rabbi's.

[thoughtomator]

Can you give me the data on that and how I can prove it independently? I have a Jewish forum I participate in and I've been trying to explain to them the hypocrisy of what Foxman et al are doing.

[DentsRun]

The Second Vatican Council acknowledged the sin of the Church for almost 2000 years in blaming the Jews for the death of Jesus. Neither the Jews of that generation or of those to come, they decreed, bear any guilt for deicide.

Why is that virtually every rabbi who has written about "The Passion of the Christ" has misquoted the teachings of Vatican II on Jewish responsibility (or lack of it) for the death of Christ?

Nostra Aetate didn’t say no Jews bore any responsibility for the death of Christ. It simply said that it’s an error to blame all Jews of the era "indiscriminately" or to blame today’s Jews for Christ’s death. But then after absolving those who clearly had nothing to do with the matter, Nostra Aetate also went on to say that the "Jewish authorities" of the time, as well as "those who followed their lead" had in fact "pressed for the death of Christ."

I don't how many times I've heard this misstated in the last couple of weeks. But the fact that it happens so often makes me think there's more going on here than simple honest error.

[Maximilian]

Can you give me the data on that and how I can prove it independently?

Sorry, I went back and checked through all the threads that I had posted comments on, and it wasn't in them. It must have been on a thread that I just read and didn't posted anything. There have been so many Passion threads that I'm not sure how I could find it at this point. Wish I could be more help.

But I recall for certain that it was a letter to the editor of the LA Times from a teacher, and the student supposedly came in and said "Now I hate all Jews." Someone on the thread did a google search or something and found a teacher with the same name who taught at a very ritzy school with a predominantly Jewish student body.

[Zechariah11]

He is probably deeply offended by anything connected to the Christian faith like his friends on the ACLU.

[montag813]

That brilliant insight is what I wish Jews would stress as the ultimate reason why we can't relate to a film that is preoccupied with nine hours of dying. "Choose life" is the cardinal message of our religion.

What the hell would a "Deformed" so-called Jew know about Choosing Life. Deformed Judiasm is pro-Abortion. This guy makes me want to puke. "Jews" like this give Real Jews a bad name.

Real Jews support our Christian Brothers and Sisters, and RESPECT THEIR FAITH AND DON'T PATRONIZE THEM ABOUT IT!

We will NOT be divided!

[DentsRun]

"Sister Mary Boys, a professor at the Union Theological Seminary in New York, who was part of an ad hoc group that was asked to read an early screenplay... "

Note that Rabbi Blech says that Sister Mary Boys "was asked to read" a screenplay. He neglects to say who asked her and makes it sound like the most casual of matters. I don't know how Gibson's screenplay got from his office into the hands of Sister Boys, but I do know that one of the "co-conveners" of the ad hoc "Get Mel" screenplay study group was Abe Foxman of the ADL.

[Zechariah11]

I guess this guy is a "reformed" Jew. He must ignore Psalm 53 that fortells a Messiah who very much suffers like an everyman. Also, Daniel chapter 9 talks about the Messiah being "cut off"

.Psalm 22 begins with "My God, My God, why hast Thou forsaken me.
It ends with what could be translated as "It is finished."
But that can be rationalized away by the modern day Sadducees -- Christian and Jewish liberals.

[ALOHA RONNIE]

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...T'was during his filming of...

.."WE WERE SOLDIERS"..

...which is another true story of LOVE and Sacrifice ..about American Soldiers fighting the 1st Major Battle of the Vietnam War...

...that MEL GIBSON was sparked to do his "PASSION of the Christ"


http://www.TheAlamoFILM.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=39081



Signed:.."ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer / Vet-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965

http://www.lzxray.com/guyer_collection.htm
(IA DRANG-1965 Photos)

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[Commie Basher]

Psalm 22 begins with "My God, My God, why hast Thou forsaken me. It ends with what could be translated as "It is finished." But that can be rationalized away by the modern day Sadducees -- Christian and Jewish liberals.

??? Are you saying Jewish conservatives believe that Psalm 22 affirms the Gospel account?

[thoughtomator]

Okay I have figured this much out:

Anna Paikow works as a teacher in Los Angeles, according to the article. A simple Google cross reference will bring you to here, showing her to be associated with this high school, whose website confirms the truth of her claim to be a teacher in Los Angeles.

A simple review of the contents of the site confirm that there are quite a number of Jewish names among the alumni and faculty. "Predominately" cannot be proven.

But the high school is a public high school. Thus the teacher is a unionized public employee (I think). Given that, the story has to survive the very high probability that the event in the letter was explicitly fabricated for Leftist propoganda purposes (denigrating both Christianity and Judaism at the same time).

I don't think there's any way to prove she is lying. But a commonsense analysis of the factors involved make it improbable in the extreme for her story to be true in total: The school is familiar with Jewish people, having Jews among its staff and faculty. Thus the alleged student alleged to have said the alleged quote did not have her first impressions of Jews from this movie.

Having seen the movie, and also seen stuff like PLO propoganda, I can say that there is no way a person is going to come out of this movie hating Jews unless they have been pre-conditioned to do so. No way at all. It simply doesn't contain the message "All Jews are bad". Being a Jew myself, I think I'm a fair judge of that.

On the other hand, you have stuff like the PLO puts out, which is clearly and explicitly outright incitement to genocide, yet Arafat is protected by the same types of folks who are bitching about this movie.

So I'd say we have to conclude that there is a vanishingly small but not zero possibility the letter in the LA Times is true, and a tremendously large probability it is a simple socialist smear of the type we are very familiar with (e.g. "Bush was AWOL!" - never had any substance, but millions of people now believe it; now we have "Mel Gibson hates Jews"). FWIW

[dagoofyfoot]

"Well" people ask me, "Did you finally see the movie"


Awww, just shut your flippin' pie hole!


I'm so sick of these left wing air bags!

[stands2reason]

Gibson has perpetrated an unforgivable crime that negates one of the most remarkable acts of communal religious repentance in history.

This is Blech's idea of "dialogue.

Disagree with any part of "The Passion" and for many you aren't anti-Gibson but anti-God, a non-believer who doesn't deserve the courtesy of a hearing because you're obviously simply a heretic.

I've seen this strawman before. Maybe calling a moviemaker a "criminal" is a little bit beyond aimple disagreement?

[DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet]

Disagree with any part of "The Passion" and for many you aren't anti-Gibson but anti-God, a non-believer who doesn't deserve the courtesy of a hearing because you're obviously simply a heretic.

Am I the only one who found this line a little bit, oh...ironic?

[Dajjal]

Mel O'Dramatic bump

[gobucks]

If they think it's fiction why don't they at least follow how the character is developed? There is a resurrection - he's whole again. What kind of mere mortal character would ever be portrayed doing that? They sound like they have flunked Classic Literature Appreciation 101.

Now, I agree with this part of the puzzle as being the most resistant to solve. The anti-Passion viewers cannot seem to reach into the 'fiction' as they see it and criticize the essence of the message.

I mean, why quote Hemingway of all people to validate Judaism? That author was so depressed he had greater than 10 electro shock therapy treatments for depression. That didn't work to cure him ... but the shotgun did. Why would a rabbi hold up Hemingway of all people as a validator of Judiasm?? (Another poster stated this review smelled of J. Blair a bit, and I wonder ....).

But, Hemingway is the author of 'classic' literature, so called. Maybe that is why the Rabbi inserted him into this column ... to deflect from the core classic literature which served as the source material of the Passion.

I think that secular viewers deliberately miss the resurrection point of the film on purpose. Especially the reviewer types. Jesus is a resurrection story that directly competes with the resurrection story most people WANT to believe in. Man is resurrected to new life through the woman.

The fairy tale for kids, mutated to the bread and butter Hollywood story: all men are boys, trapped in a man's body ... until SHE comes along and inspires him to grab the trappings of manhood. (Sabrina, Matrix, Fight Club, Beauty and the Beast, etc, etc, ad nauseum).

They have flunked, definitely. I couldn't agree more.

[Just mythoughts]

"I think that secular viewers deliberately miss the resurrection point of the film on purpose."

This word secular is use to hid what is their religion, "we are gods". All under a political face, in fact when examined their political is their religion.