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To: soccer8; tallhappy; Poohbah; belmont_mark
I understand where Poohbah is coming from. Its a point taken.

Tallhappy on the other hand, unless we march the army from Hong Kong to Beijing and remove the CCP from power, its not considered progress. Everything except that to him is considered a miserable failure.

Since President Bush took office China has changed its tune about hosting N. Korean talks. They have participated in multilateral talks on that issue a number of times. Before, they didn't want to participate, much less host.

China's tone and tune has gone from shrill to not nearly so towards the US and others in their neighborhood. Under Clinton China would have massive outbursts against Japan and everyone else. They even shot missiles over Taiwan. You think they would do that with President Bush?

Much of their vitriolic outburts have been contained at least.

On economic fronts the President has been engaging China more than ever before on its WTO committments among other things. There is a lot of optimism currently about China revaluing the yuan. Not to mention China had a $45 billion bail out.

If we did not push and force China to abide by its agreements they would never do it.

I am not at all saying that China did nothing wrong or especially now ceases to do things wrong.

There are still many outstanding issues. The way that we have been engaging them now though is showing promising signs. If its not enough for some of you, thats just a testament to how little we ever did before. As a comparison to previous times though, we are getting a lot more done with China than ever before.

31 posted on 03/04/2004 11:36:39 AM PST by maui_hawaii
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To: maui_hawaii
Tallhappy on the other hand, unless we march the army from Hong Kong to Beijing and remove the CCP from power, its not considered progress. Everything except that to him is considered a miserable failure.

What's this? You mention results and I ask which you are referring to. You then do answer, but also come up with this cheap shot totally unfair and distorted comment.

Nasty with no reason.

Why are you saying things like this?

32 posted on 03/04/2004 1:21:21 PM PST by tallhappy (Juntos Podemos!)
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To: maui_hawaii
>>Since President Bush took office China has changed its tune about hosting N. Korean talks.

You should say "Since the new leadership took office in China...".

I don't think China would have changed a thing if Jiang had remained in power.
33 posted on 03/04/2004 4:10:58 PM PST by Lake
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