William F. Buckley Jr.: Israel Frenzy - Neocons in the middle

National Review Online ^ | March 02, 2004 | William F. Buckley Jr.

[Imal]

The source, Stephen Green, is sort of hard to track down, but I found some interesting links:

Neocons With Dual Agendas and Divided Loyalties

All a grand conspiracy, no doubt. The source does matter, especially when citations can't be verified (do you have access to Justice Department investigation records?).

By the way, don't get me wrong, I honestly don't know what is truth or fiction in this case. Maybe these guys really are moles for Israel, or some sort of "Jewish mafia" wending their way through the halls of U.S. power and trading in classified information.

But I am rightly distrustful of people who are openly agenda-driven. Anyone with any background knows the power of a well-written hit piece.

I have also been hooked to a polygraph myself more than a few times for various colorful and acronymic security clearances, and am thus highly suspicious of anyone who claims sensitive compartmented information can be trafficked with impunity. In the context of Israel, Jonathan Pollard springs to mind (may he rot in his cell).

Overall, an interesting topic, but really, I just walked into this because I saw "Counterpunch", and well, reflex set in...

[westerfield]

I just walked into this because I saw "Counterpunch", and well, reflex set in...

LOL, I can't really blame you for that. I winced and held my nose when I posted that link, but the alternative would have been to wade through many pages of google because most of the sources that came up were of a leftist, anti-war nature.

[William McKinley]

most of the sources that came up were of a leftist... nature

That should have told you something.

Counterpunch and Indymedia, indeed.

[mr.pink]

Gah, all of this "neo-con" paranoid nonsense really irks me. If I were a lefty and wanted to divide the conservative movement, I'd invent something just like this.

The way I see it, it's many of the neos who are actively working to divide the conservatives....and in the case of too many of them (i.e.- Frum, Perle, Pipes), it's yet to be proven to me that they actually are conservatives in the first place as opposed to merely vicious niche conservatives whose niche is solely where agressive Lukid politics and an intentionally frightened American populace overlap.

These are some extremely twisted folks who are giving "conservatism" a very bad name by abusing the emotions of patriotic Americans.

[veronica]

I ask for a credible source and you cite COUNTERPUNCH!?

At FR - a Conservative website - yet.

It's amazing who paleocons will get into bed with. Remember Buchanan and Fulani? :))

[mr.pink]

It's amazing who paleocons will get into bed with. Remember Buchanan and Fulani? :))

Lenora Fulani has also worked with both Gov. Pataki and Mayor Bloomberg....she, or they, must have a pretty big (and non-discriminatory) bed.

[veronica]

More Stephen Green...Rumsfeld's Account Book: Who Armed Saddam?

[TopQuark]

you to fire the Little Frummer boy,

You meant to say Jew-boy, didn't you?

Little Frummer boy, who suggested Mel Gibson is Holocaust Denier on Sunday

This is a quote from the article linked by you:

Is Mel Gibson a Holocaust denier? I am not asserting that he is.

Was it then a mistake or a lie on your part, Johny-boy?

[TopQuark]

you wouldn't see any Canadian government doing such a silly thing, eh?M

Of course not: as long as it comes from someone with a Jewish name, Alberta's Child would'n hear of it. And it would matter not if the Pope of Earl of Canterberry says the same thing.

[TopQuark]

You are really losing it, Child.

Your prejudiuces are really taking you over, honey.

[TopQuark]

Child:While he was serving in the Reagan administration in the 1980s, his most ardent critic was Republican Senator Jeremiah Denton of Alabama, a retired Navy admiral (the only former Navy admiral ever to be elected to the U.S. Senate, I believe) whose seven years in a North Vietnam POW camp are chronicled in his autobiography When Hell was in Session.

What does that prove? There was also General Patton, a great American, who said, to wit, "There are people, there is vermin, and there are Jews."

That's a great mystery of smart, otherwise honeorable people who are anti-Semitic: when it comes to Jews, they leave both their minds and their hearts at the door. From Voltaire to Dostoyevsky --- all the same story.

What's more disturbing is the honesty with which you express prejudice. Your remark is nothing but taking sides. You say, "See, I an on the side of honorable peope; I cannot be wrong." That is the standard position of a scoundrel. You should be on a positon of prinicple, not people. You are screaming at the top your lungs: "I don't like Jews, and great many honorable people are on MY side."

Pathetic and not particularly bright.

[TopQuark]

I forgot who said it long ago but conservatives do eat their own.

As for "hunt the Neocon," that has always been a favorite on this board. It just took different names over time: USS Liberty, Israeli Foreknowlesge of Sep 11, Neocon...

Same people, same style. But ask them why they use Neocon when they actually mean Jew --- they'll accuse YOU of shutting down a legitimate discussion.

If Perle dies tomorrow, G-d forbid, all these same people will go to Jewish bankers; they'll remember of a sudden that Greenspan is Jewish -- you name it. The game will change to Hunt the Fed Chairman Who Sold Us Out to Israelis.

[TopQuark]

Oh yes, Pat Buchanan is a really objective source...

But now that I recall the affair better --- I think it was Arafat who overheard the conversation.

Yea... that's the ticket.

[TopQuark]

The way I see it, it's many of the neos who are actively working to divide the conservatives....and in the case of too many of them (i.e.- Frum, Perle, Pipes), it's yet to be proven to me that they actually are conservatives in the first place as opposed to merely vicious niche conservatives whose niche is solely where agressive Lukid politics and an intentionally frightened American populace overlap.

These are some extremely twisted folks who are giving "conservatism" a very bad name by abusing the emotions of patriotic Americans.

Constantine XIII: Just wait, these same bigots will bemoan that the Jews vote overwhelmingly Democratic... They will blame the Jews, the Black, the Mexicans --- all those "nonWhite people," all the while having no doubt about themselves, that they are "patriotic Americans."

Mr. Pink: you are not patriotic, and you are not an American. You are not Pink either: you are red.

[Alberta's Child]

Actually, you are the one who sounds like you're off your rocker.

I posted a bit of information about a Republican senator who was a strong adversary of Richard Perle back in the 1980s, and you immediately ascribe some kind of dishonorable motivation to both of us.

I used Jeremiah Denton to support my case (a case based on principle, not people) specifically because of his military background -- because the issue at hand involves national security. If Richard Perle had been some kind of high-ranking bureaucrat in the Department of Agriculture, and the topic of discussion here was U.S. trade policy, then I would have used someone else.

Since you seem to know Richard Perle so well, perhaps you'd like to tell us who was paying his bills while he was functioning as an "unpaid advisor" to the Bush administration.

[westerfield]

Are you claiming that the story about Perle being caught by a FBI wiretap relaying classified material to the Israeli Embassy is untrue?

[mr.pink]

Mr. Pink: you are not patriotic, and you are not an American. You are not Pink either: you are red.

Well of course when compared to dyed in the wool/life long American conservatives like David Frum I can't compete....but when you really stop and think about it....who can?.....I'm sure even the great Buckster realizes what a piker he is when standing in the darkness cast by Mr. Frums impressive shadow.

And why, as a conservative, am I expected to buy into the Frum/Perle hyper-genre of racism directed towards Arabs, Muslims, and Southern Christians?

[mr.pink]

If Perle dies tomorrow, G-d forbid....

For once we agree.....as Sir Richard just may prove deserving of either the rope, or the firing squad..... although I'm willing to show more compassion that that pig ever has by supporting a compassionate life without parole stint in Joliet.

[af_vet_1981]

Are you defending all these morons because you have a rational reason to do so, or are you just defending them because you refuse to believe that U.S. defense policy may have been heavily influenced by agents of a foreign government for the last 30 years?

How many Jews are you targeting in your conspiracy theory ?

[af_vet_1981]

These are some extremely twisted folks who are giving "conservatism" a very bad name

We can agree on that much ...