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To: tscislaw
Neocons? I thought it was Clinton that sent in troops ten years ago.

Are you suggesting that there is much ideological difference between Clinton and some of the phoney-balooney types whom the writer is referring to under the heading "neo-cons?" If you read the context, you will quickly see that he is not referring to new conservatives. Those to whom he refers represent neither a new movement nor a conservative one.

Clinton's approach to Haiti, using American might to reimpose "Democracy" on the Haitian people, was remakably like that proposed by the Canadian expatriate, out of Yale, David Frum's proposed approach to the Near and Middle East. Frum has advocated sacrificing young Americans to the purpose of imposing "Democracy," on other peoples on the other side of the globe. Before anyone takes Frum's idea seriously--before we put one American at risk for another idiotic pipe dream--we propose sending Frum to Haiti, right off our Southern shore, to demonstrate his theories: David Frum To Haiti Project.

Can we get you on board? Wouldn't you like to see Frum try to reestablish the Clinton legacy?

William Flax

12 posted on 03/02/2004 1:53:07 PM PST by Ohioan
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To: Ohioan
Are you suggesting that there is much ideological difference between Clinton and some of the phoney-balooney types whom the writer is referring to under the heading "neo-cons?"

What you're saying is that the author has lumped together (1) Clinton, and (2) some unnamed "phoney-balooney types", who supported the intervention in Haiti ten years ago, and is calling them all "neo-cons". That's probably true, that *is* what the author is doing. The problem is, you can't just grab a terminology like "neo-con", lump anyone you like under it, criticize them, and expect to be making a valid point about "neo-cons".

If you read the context, you will quickly see that he is not referring to new conservatives.

In other words, he's not referring to "neo-con", since that's a key part what the term means. (I'm constantly amazed by the number of people who seem to treat the term "neo-con" as an empty vessel into which they can freely pour all their perceived ideological enemies... there's a definite "I disagree with you, therefore you're a 'neo-con'" movement proliferating, and I just don't understand it.. )

Clinton's approach to Haiti, using American might to reimpose "Democracy" on the Haitian people, was remakably like that proposed by the Canadian expatriate, out of Yale, David Frum's proposed approach to the Near and Middle East.

I'm not sure I agree with that, unless you count the window-dressing of the term "democracy" as a "remarkable" similarity. Also not sure what the biographical information about (let alone your apparent fixation on) Mr. Frum is supposed to have to do with anything.

19 posted on 03/02/2004 2:02:08 PM PST by Dr. Frank fan
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