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A Falling Out Among Friends (Gay Bush Fundraisers Now Hate Him)
NewsWEAK ^ | 03/08/04 | Debra Rosenberg and Mark Miller

Posted on 03/02/2004 1:11:42 PM PST by Recovering_Democrat

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To: GraniteStateConservative
They want to wait until SCOTUS says it's necessary.

Then it's too late, and gay marriage is fait accompli.

The real answer is, gays have flocked to DC and introduced themselves all over the place to Congresscritters, they've been on best behavior doing PR furiously and kissing up to the power elite, and people in Congress just flat-@ss don't care about the issue any more. They're anesthetized, just as the utterly evil Hunter Madsen and Marshall Kirk prescribed in After the Ball.

The Republican leadership has quit on the issue, and Mary Matalin is going to dinners for PFLAG-for-Congressmen and telling everyone how homosexuality needs to be a "non-issue" for Big Tent Republicans.

61 posted on 03/03/2004 8:30:17 AM PST by lentulusgracchus (Et praeterea caeterum censeo, delenda est Carthago. -- M. Porcius Cato)
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To: lentulusgracchus; EdReform; GOPcapitalist; scripter; little jeremiah; Clint N. Suhks
My bona fides on the Mary Matalin comment:

From a story that appeared in August, 2000, over 3-1/2 years ago, here:

http://www.gaypeopleschronicle.com/stories/00aug11.htm#story6

GOP seems to reach out to gays at its convention
by Rex Wockner

Philadelphia--It was a kinder, gentler, more inclusive Republican National Convention--so polished that more than one commentator called it an "infomercial." In the media tents, everyone professed to be bored.

Did the GOP reach out to gays? Well, yes and no.

On the one hand, the party platform denounces gay rights, gay Boy Scouts, gay marriage and gay adoption. However, much of that language was re-inserted by hardline right-wingers after moderates had succeeded in removing it with George W. Bush’s blessing.

On the other hand, Bush and the GOP alienated some right-wingers by sending the GOP’s only openly gay congressman, Rep. Jim Kolbe of Arizona, to the convention podium in prime time to speak on trade issues. Several Texas delegates were so offended that they took off their cowboy hats, placed them over their hearts, bowed their heads and prayed. "We were praying for Kolbe, for this nation, for Governor Bush," said Ernest Murry of San Marcos, Tex. "We made a firm stand in this party as far as lifestyles." Fundamentalist Christian spokesman Pat Robertson refused to denounce Kolbe’s appearance, however.

"We want to help gay people and encourage them to succeed," he said. "And so here’s a man who succeeded as a congressman and . . . I’m for free trade, so I suppose that his message will resonate with the convention. Am I going to stand there with a placard to say keep him off the program? No way. It’s just one of those things. This is a decision of the Bush campaign. They don’t want anybody in the Democratic party to criticize them that they’re not inclusive."

Fundamentalist Christian spokesman Jerry Falwell added, "This is a political party, not a church . . . Arizona Rep. Jim Kolbe, who is homosexual, gave an excellent speech on the GOP’s trade efforts. It would be fruitless for conservative Christians to turn a deaf ear to his words simply because we disagree with his sexual predilection."

Earlier in the day at a gay reception, Kolbe joked to a throng of reporters: "I never knew there was such an interest in trade by the media . . . I think it sends a real message of inclusiveness that Governor Bush would select me since I have been a McCain supporter before."

After his convention address, Kolbe commented, "Including somebody like myself who is gay is just one more indication that the party is reaching out to everybody, and that’s what it should be doing."

Mary Matalin
The GOP also sent Republican strategist Mary Matalin of CNN’s Crossfire program around town with a message of Republican gay inclusiveness.

Following a reception hosted by the Log Cabin Republicans, the Gay and Lesbian Victory Fund and the Human Rights Campaign for 300 Republican politicos and gay delegates and activists, Matalin told this reporter: "The epiphany for me is that people have some objection to homosexuality. They say it somehow hurts the traditional family."

"How?" she asked. "I’m advocating what I know to be the conservative philosophy. If you respect the individual, if you’re about individual liberties and freedoms and all that stuff, you can’t say, ‘Except for that group or except for that person.’ It’s just so unjust and so unfair and so illogical. Illogic and unfairness offend me."

Matalin added that she favors gay marriage "because it’s logical."

"You want to reduce promiscuity, you want to enhance stability--duh, marriage, okay?" she said.

Gays have felt unwelcome in the Republican party, Matalin said, because "we shut them out. We turned out our hearts. That can happen no more--that the loud voice of a few suffocates the big voice of the many," she said. "Our gathering here [at this reception] does mark, hopefully permanently, the end of the culture-wars rhetoric."

Several gay-friendly Republicans made stops at gay events during the week.

"I’m a supporter of an inclusive Republican party," Rep. Connie Morella of Maryland told one gathering.

Rep. Tom Campbell of California said, "It is easy to stand up for the principle that government should not discriminate on the basis of orientation."

Sen. Jim Jeffords of Vermont said: "I’m from Vermont, so I don’t really need to say anything more than that. Vermont has said, under our common-benefits provision, that everyone is entitled to the protection of the law that have a lasting relationship and want to enjoy life together."

Some delegates also did not hesitate to voice support for gays.

Sharon Greenhouse of Boca Raton, Fla., told this reporter: "Only a few Republicans are right-wing extremists. I am a Republican because of my basic beliefs in the party. I’m a fiscal conservative and a social moderate. Being a Republican is also allowing everyone to come into the party. It’s a big tent. I wish more would realize that."

Indeed, there were 19 openly gay delegates this year, up from six in 1996 and two in 1992.

"This convention makes it dramatically clear that we are inside the tent," said Log Cabin spokesman Kevin Ivers.

Mary Cheney
One gay Republican who’s certainly inside is vice-presidential nominee Dick Cheney’s daughter Mary.

She attended the convention and appeared on stage with the candidates’ families following Bush’s acceptance speech the final evening. But her life partner, Heather Poe, was not seen on stage. Mary Cheney declined all requests for interviews.

On the convention’s final day, there were a smattering of unconfirmed reports that Mary Cheney will formally join the Cheney campaign staff.

"We understand they [Dick and Mary Cheney] love each other very much," said Human Rights Campaign spokesman David Smith. "She often times goes on trips with him and they’re very close. Both her parents have known that she’s gay since the early 1990s. She lives with her partner and I understand her and her partner go over to the home quite often, they get along as a family. The parents are comfortable with it and so is she."

"The crux of it is," Smith continued, "it’s going to focus attention on Bush’s anti-gay policy positions, and Cheney is going to look quite mean if he comes out and says: ‘Yeah, I support a law that bans my daughter from adopting a child. I don’t support a law that would protect my daughter from discrimination."

HRC executive director Elizabeth Birch added, "Mary Cheney is a bright and articulate woman. She is highly impressive. The issue will be whether she is locked away in a vault in terms of her public-policy positions that are well-known."

Until recently, Cheney worked for the Coors brewery as the head of its gay and lesbian outreach efforts.

"I talked to her," Birch said. "I told her we wanted to be supportive and that I felt that merely directing all inquiries to the campaign was not going to work for very long because this is a radar-jamming moment where with someone with a record like Dick Cheney’s, it is remarkable and interesting that he has such a dynamic daughter. She cut her teeth on advocating for gay Americans as consumers. She’s a quasi-public figure. The press will want to write about that."

Dick Cheney’s record on gay issues includes supporting the military gay ban and voting against the Hate Crimes Statistics Act in 1988 as a member of the House.

George W. Bush is on record opposing job protections for gay people and gay adoption. He scuttled hate-crime legislation in Texas and has vowed to abolish the position of White House liaison to the gay community.

In an interview with journalist Cokie Roberts, Dick Cheney’s wife, Lynne, seemingly attempted to shove Mary back in the closet. When Roberts said Mary is an open lesbian, Lynne shot back: "Mary has never declared such a thing. I would like to say that I’m appalled at the media interest in one of my daughters. I have two wonderful daughters. I love them very much. They are bright; they are hard-working; they are decent. And I simply am not going to talk about their personal lives. And I’m surprised, Cokie, that even you would want to bring it up on this program."

But Mary has declared such a thing, repeatedly. She told Girlfriends magazine, "The reason I came to work here [at Coors] is because I knew several other lesbians who were very happy here."

Strategist Matalin acknowledged Mary Cheney’s sexual orientation and told this reporter: "Mary Cheney knows how to speak knowledgeably, reasonably, calmly and confidently on gay issues and [she] has. I hope she does. I don’t know what her demands for privacy will be."

Change is slow Despite the many gay firsts at this year’s convention, HRC’s Smith said gays still would be unwise to vote for Bush and Cheney.

"The Republican Party is changing slowly but somewhat surely," he said. "But we’re definitely concerned about George Bush’s anti-gay policy positions that he’s articulated as governor of Texas and during the primaries. We feel that he obviously would not be a good choice for president. We’re going to actively work against him."

HRC’s Birch added: "The story for this convention is the grand dichotomy. Here you have a presidential candidate who finally has one meeting with a group of gay Republicans, and yet there’s this restoration of mean-spirited, out-of-date, dinosaur [anti-gay] language in the platform. For an institution that is trying to argue that its edges are softening and that it is a larger, wider tent, it’s looking more like a pup tent of exclusion, when you look only at the platform."

Following his April meeting with gays, Bush said: "The meeting was a wide-ranging discussion on issues. I’m a better person for the meeting. I enjoyed it. I welcome gay Americans into my campaign.

"I want the Republicans, conservative Republicans, to understand we judge people based upon their heart and soul, that’s what the campaign is about," he said. "And while we disagree on gay marriage, for example, we agree on a lot of other issues and it’s important for people to hear that . . . These are individuals who’ve got interesting stories to tell and it’s important for the next president to listen to people’s real-life stories. These are people from our neighborhoods, people with whom all of us went to school, people who generally care about America, and I appreciate them sharing their stories with me. And I’m mindful that we’re all God’s children."

In the final analysis, the ongoing assimilation of gays and lesbians into the American mainstream and the many pro-gay positions of the Democratic Party have steered the Republican Party toward a less-hostile relationship with the gay and lesbian community.

Emphasis mine.

This is the first report I've seen on what George W. Bush discussed with the gay lobby during his 2000 campaign. Anybody else heard this before? Have any of you been aware of Mary Matalin's involvement with advance work with these gay NGO's?

62 posted on 03/03/2004 9:15:07 AM PST by lentulusgracchus (Et praeterea caeterum censeo, delenda est Carthago. -- M. Porcius Cato)
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To: lentulusgracchus
Thanks for finding this. Revolting. I never trusted Mary Matalin - how could she possibly stand Carvile? There must be something wrong with her brain.

I am going to ping my list to this. We should do everything within our power to communicate our disgust and outrage to Bush and anyone in DC who might pay attention.

I am hoping that the "gay" marriage thing will open some eyes.

Hey President Bush - "gays" are NOT LIKE US! They want to dominate us! The Nazis were dominated by homosexuals. They aren't Mr. Nice Guy! I don't want them in the GOP unless they sit down and shut up.
63 posted on 03/03/2004 9:21:12 AM PST by little jeremiah (...men of intemperate minds can not be free. Their passions forge their fetters.)
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To: *Homosexual Agenda; EdReform; scripter; GrandMoM; backhoe; Yehuda; Clint N. Suhks; saradippity; ...
Homosexual Agenda Ping - I already pung all of you to this thread, but check out the article lenticulus gracchus found, about the 2000 GOP convention and their "outreach" to homosexuals. Nauseating.

Kick GOP butt please. This "Big Tent" garbage has got to go. "Let's become leftists and secular humanists and pro-gay so that people will vote for us". Makes me sick. I'll vote a straight R ticket as usual but I'd rather not have to sedate myself first.
64 posted on 03/03/2004 9:24:37 AM PST by little jeremiah (...men of intemperate minds can not be free. Their passions forge their fetters.)
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To: lentulusgracchus
More on my last, this time reported (through a left-handed prism, darkly) by People for the American Way, concerning a Bush Administration victory breakfast in January, 2001:

http://www.pfaw.org/pfaw/general/default.aspx?oid=4141

And more about the Republican Unity Coalition and Mary Matalin's outreach, bringing us up-to-date, complete with a photo of Matalin with her arm around Andrew Sullivan's famous 19-inch neck (that he advertised in online ads for anonymous gay sex -- without mentioning that he was HIV-positive), here:

http://www.republicanunity.com/hbm.htm

It's just getting deeper and deeper, y'all.

The question is, why are Bush and Matalin doing this?

No wonder I haven't heard anything about Matalin in the mainline media. They wouldn't "out" her for doing something they approve, and telling the rubes and suckers in the GOP base what the "big tent" outriders are doing to push us out of the political life of the nation.

65 posted on 03/03/2004 10:03:58 AM PST by lentulusgracchus (Et praeterea caeterum censeo, delenda est Carthago. -- M. Porcius Cato)
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To: little jeremiah
If you'll look at the updated sitrep at the RUC site, you'll see that Mary Cheney, referenced and discussed at length in the 2000 campaign (notice the lizardoid HRC goon speaking openly about using Cheney to get to her dad publicly), has now changed her posture and is willing to come out and do political work for the RUC.

So now we'll see what the HRC hoped we'd see four years ago -- same gambit they played with Newt Gingrich's sister, using family to attack morality.

Lucifer must be lovin' it.

I'm glad my poor old dad isn't around to see all this. He had morals and would find all this very painful. Un....believable.

66 posted on 03/03/2004 10:11:52 AM PST by lentulusgracchus (Et praeterea caeterum censeo, delenda est Carthago. -- M. Porcius Cato)
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To: Recovering_Democrat
"Now he's dropping his fund-raising efforts and no longer plans to vote for Bush."

Whatever.

67 posted on 03/03/2004 10:17:17 AM PST by GigaDittos (Bumper sticker: "Vote Democrat, it's easier than getting a job.")
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To: little jeremiah
Now, guys, now that I have your attention......

Do you finally believe me, when I tell you that we cannot trust Dubya on this issue??

In fact, I'd say the evidence here is that he is a lost cause on this issue.

And look at all the other prominent Republican names in these stories.....Connie Morella....Rudy Giuliani...George Pataki....Alan Simpson....I thought I saw Doctor Frist's name in there somewhere.....and of course the turncoat Jim Jeffords appears in the article I quoted. He would.

We cannot trust the Wall Street Wing of the GOP on social and constitutional issues!!

69 posted on 03/03/2004 10:21:13 AM PST by lentulusgracchus (Et praeterea caeterum censeo, delenda est Carthago. -- M. Porcius Cato)
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To: little jeremiah
I don't want them in the GOP unless they sit down and shut up.

Well, other than the fact that they don't want to be robbed by Democrats, what do the Log Cabin Republicans really bring to the party? I haven't heard them articulate a strong moral message on recruitment, pederasty, and chickenhawks, have you?

How many votes do they bring, compared to the millions of churchgoers who supposedly stayed home in 2000, putting Bush on the cliff with Mad Dog Gore and his fixer/weasel Bill Daley in the Florida recount?

70 posted on 03/03/2004 10:27:10 AM PST by lentulusgracchus (Et praeterea caeterum censeo, delenda est Carthago. -- M. Porcius Cato)
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