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NASA News Conference on Mars~~~ Live Thread
Fox | March 2 2004

Posted on 03/02/2004 10:59:40 AM PST by Dog

NASA is to hold a news conference at 2 pm eastern announcing a major discovery/finding from the Rovers.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: mars; nasa
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To: Miss Marple
They found a sulfate salt they said.....a brine.

This area on Mars was once drenched in water. They talked about the "blueberries"...but I missed that discussion as I was screaming at the TV. The rocks have had some sort of water action over them.

They can't say for sure if Mars has or had life right now.

101 posted on 03/02/2004 11:24:07 AM PST by Dog (Bin Laden your account to America is past due......time to pay up.)
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To: mabelkitty
Because of the lower gravity, he didn't have a chance.

CG
102 posted on 03/02/2004 11:24:48 AM PST by Conspiracy Guy (The word "Tagline" needs to be added to Free Republic's Spell Check.)
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To: John H K
Epsom salts...? I forget. Magnesium sulfate?
103 posted on 03/02/2004 11:24:58 AM PST by djf
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To: John H K
Also a lot of Bromine and Chlorine.

Consistent with evaporative sequence. Similar to evaporation of Dead Sea.
104 posted on 03/02/2004 11:25:10 AM PST by John H K
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To: Dog
This discovery is far more important than the news mediots realize. As you know, my degree was in geology and I was very impressed with how they used multiple pieces of evidence to support their conclusion.

I also note that by next week we will have the answer on whether the layered bed was formed in water (sedimentary) or simply acted upon by water. This is very important.

In my opinion, I think they are laying the proofs down one by one for explaining what I believe to be fossil evidence of life on Mars. That announcement (which I believe will eventually come) will shake the world.

105 posted on 03/02/2004 11:25:16 AM PST by Miss Marple
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To: smith288; MediaMole
Thanks for the links-for-the-cubicle-bound!
106 posted on 03/02/2004 11:25:36 AM PST by eastsider
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To: John H K
What are the medicinal benefits of soaking in epsom salts (magnesium sulfate)?
107 posted on 03/02/2004 11:25:43 AM PST by RightWhale (Theorems link concepts; proofs establish links)
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To: mabelkitty
Not really. And the "Big Bang" theory is completely different from evolution, and makes a lot more sense.

Finding life on Mars or past life on Mars would mean a lot for biologists and the theory of evolution, but have really no impact on whether evolution is any more or less believable.

108 posted on 03/02/2004 11:25:47 AM PST by hopespringseternal
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To: djf
Yes, Magnesium Sulfate.
109 posted on 03/02/2004 11:25:51 AM PST by John H K
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To: Dog; All
I though with all this hype, maybe they found Bin Laden!!! LOL
110 posted on 03/02/2004 11:26:24 AM PST by Iron Eagle
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To: Truth29
Interesting.
Liquid water as opposed to ice?
I am not up on my NASA-speak, so I'm trying to decipher what they saying via my cubicle.
111 posted on 03/02/2004 11:26:34 AM PST by mabelkitty (If Kerry is so "electable, then why are Democrats afraid of Nader?)
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To: Sacajaweau; RightWhale; null and void; Miss Marple
THERE IS LIQUID WATER ON ANOTHER PLANET!

That is the story here.....the life issue will have to wait until another mission.

But we found water on another PLANET!

112 posted on 03/02/2004 11:28:30 AM PST by Dog (Bin Laden your account to America is past due......time to pay up.)
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To: Miss Marple
IMHO, they already have some very convincing evidence of life. But I imagine there's alot of people being consulted about the whens, wheretos, and hows about making the announcement.
113 posted on 03/02/2004 11:28:36 AM PST by djf
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To: RightWhale
Jezzz, out of 200 freaking channels, I couldn't find one covering it. Just 200 channels of meaningless crap.
114 posted on 03/02/2004 11:28:48 AM PST by Joe Hadenuf (I failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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To: RightWhale
Hmm, I forget, I've never used Epsom Salts.
115 posted on 03/02/2004 11:28:51 AM PST by John H K
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To: Dog
A brine?
Small salt water creature (like shrimp)?
Sorry, I'm trying to catch up.
"Blueberries" is really throwing me off.
116 posted on 03/02/2004 11:28:53 AM PST by mabelkitty (If Kerry is so "electable, then why are Democrats afraid of Nader?)
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To: Miss Marple
Interesting, I wonder if they'll direct the rovers towards a specific search for fossils.
117 posted on 03/02/2004 11:29:19 AM PST by Brett66
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Press Release - March 02, 2004

Opportunity Rover Finds Strong Evidence Meridiani Planum Was Wet

Scientists have concluded the part of Mars that NASA's Opportunity rover is exploring was soaking wet in the past.

Evidence the rover found in a rock outcrop led scientists to the conclusion. Clues from the rocks' composition, such as the presence of sulfates, and the rocks' physical appearance, such as niches where crystals grew, helped make the case for a watery history.

"Liquid water once flowed through these rocks. It changed their texture, and it changed their chemistry," said Dr. Steve Squyres of Cornell University, Ithaca, N.Y., principal investigator for the science instruments on Opportunity and its twin, Spirit. "We've been able to read the tell-tale clues the water left behind, giving us confidence in that conclusion."

Dr. James Garvin, lead scientist for Mars and lunar exploration at NASA Headquarters, Washington, said, "NASA launched the Mars Exploration Rover mission specifically to check whether at least one part of Mars ever had a persistently wet environment that could possibly have been hospitable to life. Today we have strong evidence for an exciting answer: Yes."

Opportunity has more work ahead. It will try to determine whether, besides being exposed to water after they formed, the rocks may have originally been laid down by minerals precipitating out of solution at the bottom of a salty lake or sea.

The first views Opportunity sent of its landing site in Mars' Meridiani Planum region five weeks ago delighted researchers at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif., because of the good fortune to have the spacecraft arrive next to an exposed slice of bedrock on the inner slope of a small crater.

The robotic field geologist has spent most of the past three weeks surveying the whole outcrop, and then turning back for close-up inspection of selected portions. The rover found a very high concentration of sulfur in the outcrop with its alpha particle X-ray spectrometer, which identifies chemical elements in a sample.

"The chemical form of this sulfur appears to be in magnesium, iron or other sulfate salts," said Dr. Benton Clark of Lockheed Martin Space Systems, Denver. "Elements that can form chloride or even bromide salts have also been detected."

At the same location, the rover's Mössbauer spectrometer, which identifies iron-bearing minerals, detected a hydrated iron sulfate mineral called jarosite. Germany provided both the alpha particle X-ray spectrometer and the Mössbauer spectrometer. Opportunity's miniature thermal emission spectrometer has also provided evidence for sulfates.

On Earth, rocks with as much salt as this Mars rock either have formed in water or, after formation, have been highly altered by long exposures to water. Jarosite may point to the rock's wet history having been in an acidic lake or an acidic hot springs environment.

The water evidence from the rocks' physical appearance comes in at least three categories, said Dr. John Grotzinger, sedimentary geologist from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, Cambridge: indentations called "vugs," spherules and crossbedding.

Pictures from the rover's panoramic camera and microscopic imager reveal the target rock, dubbed "El Capitan," is thoroughly pocked with indentations about a centimeter (0.4 inch) long and one-fourth or less that wide, with apparently random orientations. This distinctive texture is familiar to geologists as the sites where crystals of salt minerals form within rocks that sit in briny water. When the crystals later disappear, either by erosion or by dissolving in less-salty water, the voids left behind are called vugs, and in this case they conform to the geometry of possible former evaporite minerals.

Round particles the size of BBs are embedded in the outcrop. From shape alone, these spherules might be formed from volcanic eruptions, from lofting of molten droplets by a meteor impact, or from accumulation of minerals coming out of solution inside a porous, water-soaked rock. Opportunity's observations that the spherules are not concentrated at particular layers in the outcrop weigh against a volcanic or impact origin, but do not completely rule out those origins.

Layers in the rock that lie at an angle to the main layers, a pattern called crossbedding, can result from the action of wind or water. Preliminary views by Opportunity hint the crossbedding bears hallmarks of water action, such as the small scale of the crossbedding and possible concave patterns formed by sinuous crestlines of underwater ridges.

The images obtained to date are not adequate for a definitive answer. So scientists plan to maneuver Opportunity closer to the features for a better look. "We have tantalizing clues, and we're planning to evaluate this possibility in the near future," Grotzinger said.

118 posted on 03/02/2004 11:29:19 AM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi Mac ... Support Our Troops! ... NO NO NO NO on Props 55-58)
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To: Dog
There are oceans of water on some of the moons of Jupiter and Saturn. Water is common in the solar system.
119 posted on 03/02/2004 11:29:42 AM PST by RightWhale (Theorems link concepts; proofs establish links)
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To: Dog

DEAD SEA-LIKE CONDITIONS ON MARS AT ONE POINT IN TIME

Past water evidence by 1) spherules 2) tabular holes
3) mucho sulfer (per alpha particle xray spectroscopy) and
4) Mossbauer spec of RAT-holes showing jarosite ====> DEAD SEA-LIKE CONDITIONS ON MARS AT ONE POINT IN TIME.

120 posted on 03/02/2004 11:29:42 AM PST by Diogenesis (If you mess with one of us, you mess with all of us)
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