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Mars Rover Opportunity Makes 'Significant' Finding
Yahoo! News ^ | 3/1/04 | Gina Keating - Reuters

Posted on 03/01/2004 7:57:32 PM PST by NormsRevenge

LOS ANGELES (Reuters) -

Speculation was rife on Monday that space scientists were on the verge of announcing they had discovered evidence that Mars was once a wet and warm planet, possibly capable of sustaining microscopic life forms.

Officials with the National Aeronautics and Space Administration announced that Mars scientists from the Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, California, were flying to Washington for a "significant" announcement, but shied away from saying what it would be.

"I can't confirm what they are going to say ... just that it's a significant ... finding," by the rover Opportunity, JPL spokesman Guy Webster said.

But in recent days, scientists have openly spoken of their excitement over finding coarse gray hematite at the Opportunity site, and predicted it would lead to an understanding of how the bedrock the rover is studying was formed and whether water was involved.

The scientists and engineers working with Opportunity and its twin, Spirit, have held all their briefings in Pasadena since the robotic geologists landed on Mars in January.

But major developments in NASA (news - web sites) programs "are typically announced out of (Washington) headquarters," Webster said.

Scheduled to attend the Tuesday briefing were lead rover scientist Steve Squyres, geologist John Grotzinger, chief space exploration scientist Benton Clark, project scientist Joy Crisp, and Jim Garvin, NASA's lead scientist for Mars and the Moon.

Opportunity landed on Jan. 24 in a small crater on the vast flat Meridiani Planum near the planet's equator. It has spent most of its 36 martian days, or sols, studying finely layered bedrock in the crater's wall.

Scientists have been puzzling over whether the layers were formed by wind, volcanic lava flows or water, and if spherical "blueberries" discovered in the rocks were water-related.

In a briefing last week, the Opportunity team said data gathered by the rover's spectrometers and microscopic imager in a flat area of bedrock nicknamed Charlie Flats suggested the presence of gray hematite, which on Earth can form in oxygenated water.

Opportunity's spectrometers also have detected a large deposit of hematite in the surrounding plains.

The science team had planned to compare the spectral signatures of the martian rocks with Earth samples to confirm that the composition was the same.

Evidence of rocks or soil that formed in water would help validate scientists' theories that for the first half of its 4.6 billion-year existence, Mars had plentiful surface water -- even rain and snow -- and possibly, life.

Opportunity and Spirit, now in sol 57 on the other side of the planet, were designed to search for signs of water for at least 90 days, or as long as their solar-powered batteries last.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government
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To: NormsRevenge
Archimedes invaginatus, byrozoan, order Cryptostomida. Primitive "moss animals."
81 posted on 03/01/2004 11:36:55 PM PST by capitan_refugio
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To: NormsRevenge
I'd bet the house it's a trilobite!
82 posted on 03/01/2004 11:43:02 PM PST by Indie (The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.")
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To: Socks C.
But my gut says that given enough grinding they will expose what absolutely "looks like" a fossil cast. . . .they may have already . . .

And this, which looks like a coral base, or, fungi or other plant stalk cluster:


83 posted on 03/01/2004 11:43:25 PM PST by Don Joe (We've traded the Rule of Law for the Law of Rule.)
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To: capitan_refugio
Trilobites were primative arthropods that existed on Earth in the Cambrian through the Devonian, with some rare species lasting until the end of the Paleozoic in the late Permian (roughly 500 million years ago to 180 million years ago).

Or, even now. Don't forget the Horseshoe Crab.

84 posted on 03/01/2004 11:46:35 PM PST by Don Joe (We've traded the Rule of Law for the Law of Rule.)
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To: Dallas59
Decay is a biological process, in and of itself. I suppose, once organic material has been subjected to thermogenesis (the natural conversion of organic material into oil, natural gas, tar, coal, etc), it is possible there might be some traces remaining. It is an intriguing question.

Although methane (the simplest of the hydrocarbon fases) is an relatively abundant gas in the solar system, most methane on Earth comes from biogenic sources. Some, small amount, probably comes from the degassing of the mantle (abiogenic methane). Biogenic methane on Mars would be quite a discovery.

On Earth, active tectonic processes are the mechanism behind thermogensis (deposition, preservation, burial, heating, biochemical conversion). I suspect Mars may be a nearly "dead" planet when it comes to tectonism; so thermogensis would be arrested.

85 posted on 03/01/2004 11:55:27 PM PST by capitan_refugio
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To: capitan_refugio
It looks alot like an Elrathia kingi.

You don't say...

Lots more (& bigger) here

(That first one looks like a dead ringer for the one in the Mars image.)

86 posted on 03/01/2004 11:55:33 PM PST by Don Joe (We've traded the Rule of Law for the Law of Rule.)
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To: Don Joe
I thought the horseshoe crabs were more related to spiders, scorpions and the now-extinct eurypterids (thankfully extinct, because some species were like 15-foot upside-down swimming scorpions). Horseshoe crabs are in the order Xiphosurida, sort of all by themselves taxonomically. I seem to recall they had "blue blood" ... is that true?
87 posted on 03/02/2004 12:05:56 AM PST by capitan_refugio
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To: Don Joe
You're good. I had not even started looking for pictures!
88 posted on 03/02/2004 12:07:08 AM PST by capitan_refugio
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To: capitan_refugio
I thought the horseshoe crabs were more related to spiders, scorpions and the now-extinct eurypterids (thankfully extinct, because some species were like 15-foot upside-down swimming scorpions). Horseshoe crabs are in the order Xiphosurida, sort of all by themselves taxonomically. I seem to recall they had "blue blood" ... is that true?

From the first link I grabbed via google query for "horseshoe crab" trilobite, "a Horseshoe crab is not a trilobite,but it is the closest living relative of the trilobite." (http://community-2.webtv.net/mrbbug2/doc2/)

(In the past, I've read in numerous places that they're related, so I just grabbed the first reference for this reply. As to the blood color, I've no idea. My mother never let me keep any of 'em I found at the beach when I was a kid. :)

89 posted on 03/02/2004 12:36:15 AM PST by Don Joe (We've traded the Rule of Law for the Law of Rule.)
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To: capitan_refugio
You know, I hope we find this stuff all over the place. Even if we switch over to something else besides gasoline to fuel our personal transportation, We still need oil for plastics, medicine....
90 posted on 03/02/2004 1:48:46 AM PST by Dallas59
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To: Dog
Looking forward to this press conference!
91 posted on 03/02/2004 1:55:26 AM PST by Molly Pitcher
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To: Molly Pitcher; Dog
I am too. That picture above looks like coral to me!
92 posted on 03/02/2004 2:28:13 AM PST by Miss Marple
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts
Thats really good!
93 posted on 03/02/2004 5:30:52 AM PST by Dialup Llama
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To: The Coopster
Ping!
94 posted on 03/02/2004 7:14:00 AM PST by Miss Marple
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To: Marie
Yup. It also looks just like the one sitting right here on my desk.

They told me mine was from Morocco, could it really be from... Nahhh!

95 posted on 03/02/2004 7:22:43 AM PST by null and void
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To: Dallas59
If bacteria evolved and then died out on Mars, could that bacteria have decayed to produce oil or natural gas?

AWL! We struck AWL!!

96 posted on 03/02/2004 7:30:46 AM PST by null and void
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To: Don Joe
I think it would be more honest for NASA to say "yes this could be life, but we can't say definitively until we send another probe specifically designed to get the proof that we need."
97 posted on 03/02/2004 7:36:28 AM PST by Brett66
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To: Brett66
I think it would be more honest for NASA to say "yes this could be life, but we can't say definitively until we send another probe specifically designed to get the proof that we need."

If they say something like that we may get funding to launch a large number of spacecraft on the planet via the Phoenix and Mars Science Laboratory programs, if only to search as much of the planet as possible for past and current lifeforms. And these new landers may use Radioisotope Thermoelectric Generator (RTG) units so they can operate for over a year without worries about dust collecting on the solar panels.

98 posted on 03/02/2004 8:20:42 AM PST by RayChuang88
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To: razorbak
biochemicals,, pre-biotic evolution,, abiogenesis,, wheww!

oh boy.. lots riding on the stuff they think they're finding on Mars. Should be a momentous event.. depending on what they held back , they have a lot of excellent imagery up on the rover website.

We already see that there are things there that are suggestive of support for life being present in significant quantities at some time in the past, and the objects do not appear to all be uniform at first glance.

Thanks for the post, good stuff. ;-}
99 posted on 03/02/2004 8:23:16 AM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi Mac ... Support Our Troops! ... NO NO NO NO on Props 55-58)
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To: Don Joe
Thanks for all the info and links.



100 posted on 03/02/2004 8:30:50 AM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi Mac ... Support Our Troops! ... NO NO NO NO on Props 55-58)
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