An evil hatred

Herald Sun ^ | Feb 27 2004 | Andrew Bolt

[paltz]

And the US is now led by a man who takes his Christianity more seriously than any president since Jimmy Carter. And this scares the hell out of so many of our cultural elite.

I disagree.Reagan was a passionate christian. His handwritten letters throughout his life describe a man fully devoted to Jesus Christ's teachings.

[Lion in Winter]

Outstanding article. Thanks for posting it.

[ThePythonicCow]

Big bump.

This is not simply a cultural war in which we are engaged, nor just a war on Terror.

It is a religious war.

On the one side, the Judeo-Christians. On the other side, the secularists, Islamists, greenshirts and neo-Marxists, as this article names them.

As usual, religious wars evidence the most viscious hatreds, divisions and evils known to man.

[Quix]

THANKS FOR THIS PERCEPTIVE ARTICLE.

[Ernest_at_the_Beach]

Outstanding article, thanks for posting it!

Reference article:

Judaism’s Sexual Revolution: Why Judaism (and then Christianity) Rejected Homosexuality

An excerpt from the article that I particularly like:

If one can speak of Judaism's essence, it is contained in the Torah statement, “I have set before you life and death, the blessing and the curse, and you shall choose life.” Judaism affirms whatever enhances life, and it opposes or separates whatever represents death.

[Standing Wolf]

This is not simply a cultural war in which we are engaged, nor just a war on Terror. It is a religious war.

I believe it's a war between civilization and its avowed enemies.

[Ernest_at_the_Beach]

Ping for a good one!

[Brad’s Gramma]

Please ping the usual suspects to an awesome post.

[findingtruth]

"Those who loathe the US don't just hate their foreign policy, they hate the Christian values that civilise us."

Darned right! Those Muslims don't recognize the fundamental American value that all women have the right to an abortion. That's what distinguishes us from those barbarians.

[3catsanadog]

Ever watch someone spit hatred against Christianity and all it stands for? Their eyes are cold as ice and there is an aura of darkness about them.

[LiteKeeper]

INTSUM - WORLDVIEW

[Wombat101]

I disagree strongly with this line of argument. Here's why;

First, you have to actually believe that Islam is a religion, which any objective view of it would not bear out. Islam is more of a societal system (in this regard it bears a striking resemblance to communism and fascism) where the individual is discounted in favor of the "over all" good. It's adherents believe that peace and equality cannot be achieved unless everyone on the planet follows the same rules, and if you don't, you must be destroyed. Utterly. Where it differs from communism and fascism is that it replaces the primacy of the state and it's apparatus with a religious veneer, i.e. this is the undisputable word of God.

Secondly, you must redefine your idea of just what constitutes a "fundamentalist state". Here in this country, for all the church going and talk of morality, we're currently debating the issue of homosexual marriage. In a fundamentalist state, there would be no debate, there would be mass deportations, concentration camps and finally, mass executions of homosexuals. A fundamentalist state does not allow freedom, especially where freedom is a danger to an established order or contradicts dogma. We do not live in a fundamentalist state in those terms.

Finally,the issues with Islam vs. The West, or America in particular, have very little to do with religion. In this case, religion is simply a propaganda tool. The real issues have to do with opposing viewpoints of life: the freedom of an individual, protected by law, and in cooperation with his fellow man, versus the dictates of an established, unquestionable order claiming it's authority from an unquestionable source. Here in the West, the people have the power, in the Middle East, power is reserved to the few, and by decree of the Almighty, no less.

This struggle is between haves and have nots, and the have nots cannot comprehend that it is their own system, their own shortsightedness, that keeps them in the position they are in. The haves in this case have freedom, economic power and technology that makes life easier and gives them the ability to better their world. The have nots have a 7th century ideology that never evolved to adapt to a changing world. Islam never had an Enlightenment, a Reformation or a Renaissance.

When someone cannot come to terms with their own failures, and accept blame or responsibility for them honestly, then one does things like bomb pizzerias and ram airliners into office towers, because it must be someone else's fault that you live in such a terrible way. Especially when God and your Imam tell you that things are just the way they're supposed to be. And God cannot be wrong.

In psychology, I believe this phenomena is called "transferrance". Just another way of saying that a murder is merely an extroverted suicide. The problem is that the "extroverted suicides" of 9/11 came from a country that believes in everything you don't, and because of it, has the means to fight back. God may be great, but God was never on the receiving end of a thermobaric bomb.

In the end, Communism fell, Fascism fell, and Islam will too. They all collapsed under their own weight and because they never realized that human nature trumps any system of thought or dogma. If you doubt that, ask yourself just why millions of Muslims break with Islamic law to live amongst us infidels.

[freebacon]

"This is not simply a cultural war in which we are engaged, nor just a war on Terror.

It is a religious war. "

The barbarity of the profoundly ignorant Left. And their employment of a scorched earth policy. When it comes to the defaming, denigrating, and slandering of anyone one who gets in their way with the most irresponsible lies. The use of lies as their primary weapon in any facet of political warfare. And an utter disrespect of facts which happen to mean absolutely nothing to Democratic Socialists, because to honor the facts would be to deal a death blow to their egos and their ideological rhetoric. Is in my opinion a form of terror. In other words, what is called an American culture war, is in fact an act of terrorism being perpetrated on the American people by the Left. What is called a religious war, is a secular fanatics fight for their idiotic ideology and their god (themselves). There is only one war, just many different battlefields.

[sarasmom]

"I believe it's a war between civilization and its avowed enemies."
And you would be correct.
Define civilization.
Does it mean human free will, freely choosing as individuals to transcend base animal instincts, and separating ourselves from animalistic, kill or be killed natural rules?
Can humans perceive right and wrong, good and evil?
And if we can, what do we hope to choose?

[noodler]

The points you raise and ways raised are are well done but, because they are Well Points. To a better EYE than mine can be seen certain anti-Church,fratricide delight and intention to put upon equal weights in minds to equal belief to equal zero.Therefor if that was you intend to do, you do it well.

[ThePythonicCow]

I think half of the difference you see between what I wrote:

It is a religious war.

and what you write is just my unusual use of the word 'religion'. The other half is a genuine difference.

First let me restate my position, in more neutral terms.

On the one hand we have the people with faith in a Supreme Spirit, from whom flows all that we are, and whose teachings it is our highest duty to seek out and follow.

On the other hand we have the "Heaven on Earth" world view, frequently used by would be tyrants to justify all manner of power grabs, for "the good of the children" and other such pablums.

In short, the believers versus the secularists.

In your terms, the believers hold a religion, the secularists oppose religions. That is an entirely reasonable use of the word 'religion.'

I was using 'religion' in a broader sense. Both Christianity and secularism are religions in that sense. They are alternative foundations for ones spiritual outlook.

It would be as if I were saying that both democracy and anarchy were forms of government.

When I examine the efforts by leftists to stamp out any reference to Christianity from public life, I find it makes most sense to me if I view it as an effort to make 'secularism' the state established religion (contrary to the Constitution, which prohibits any state established religion).

So I am in agreement with you that Islam is not what we ordinarily mean by a religion - it is, or has been hijacked by, a virulent anti-religion. I am undecided as to whether there is a legitimate, moral religion hiding in Islam somewhere. Either way, the Islam that is visible now is an anti-religion.

When I said this was a religious war, I didn't mean between two religions, as your would use the word. Rather it is a war between the religious and the anti-religious.

Where I would disagree more fundamentally is in response to your comments such as:

This struggle is between haves and have nots

The leaders, shakers, financiers, apologists and often even suicide bombers of the terrorists (and communists, nazis and 'rats) aren't poverty stricken. Well, not a poverty of money and material goods anyway.

What they lack is faith. They are spiritually impoverished. They are not seeking to find the Truth as spoken by a Higher Being, but rather seeking to establish their own man-made visions (delusions) on Earth.

This is not a war of the material rich versus poor. It is a war of the spiritual seekers with the spiritual bankrupt.

[ThePythonicCow]

And an utter disrespect of facts

This is a direct consequence of their spiritual bankruptcy. They lack faith in any Higher Spirit; they deny the existance of any absolute Truth; they do not distinguish Good from Evil.

Without such a grounding, it's all just words, just a matter of scoring points, as if in a High School debating club.

There is only one war, just many different battlefields.

True.

[Wombat101]

Excellent points. However, in the interests of splitting hairs, when I make reference to "haves and have nots", it does not necessarily mean that I am referring to material goods. In that sense, poor choice of words on my part.

But, we have to consider just what it is that makes "haves" in the first place. Westerners do not shun religion (obviously) and do not divide the world into secular and religious portions consciously in their everyday lives. What thay have done throughout history is to recognize when to leave their dogma behind. Islam has not figured out how to do that.

Free from the restarints of religious dogma (but not religion), westerners have pursued the scientific method of research and discovery which has led to the modern world we know today. The first step was to question authority, successfully. Newton could both believe in God and measure and describe the theory of gravity, in effect, look into the mind of God. In his view, God was not an unfathomable being whose ways could never be known by man, but his belief was that man was SUPPOSED to look into the mind of God, as a challenge to mankind, not to God himself. This is a very Western belief, handed down to us from the Greeks.

I don't believe Muslims have no faith, I just believe that their faith is misguided because no one throughout Islamic history has dared to check his dogma at the door. Until someone does, Islam will remain a backwards ideology, dependant and distrustful of the very West that has ensured it's survival.

[GeorgiaYankee]

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