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Cleland: Kerry Won't Release Vietnam Medical File
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| 2/29/04
| Limbacher
Posted on 02/29/2004 7:38:32 PM PST by Tumbleweed_Connection
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Trying to get medical records from the VA is a nightmare. We have been trying for 9 months. Their excuse is the records are lost. First they had them awaiting an authorization, then they dissapeared. Its been 8 months since the authorization was sent and still after numerous calls no records have been provided. I guess they can easily lose Kerry's too.
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posted on
02/29/2004 8:25:32 PM PST
by
Bringbackthedraft
(I saved my "JEB" signs for 08. I'll use them in 04 if Hillary runs.)
To: Tumbleweed_Connection
If Kerry is the candidate and can't go on due to health, are we going to get Lautenburged AGAIN by the RATS!? Hell, if Kerry does go the distance only to drop in the polls near the end, I ask the same question, will we be 'Lautenburged'?
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posted on
02/29/2004 8:27:01 PM PST
by
teletech
(Friends don't let friends vote DemocRAT!)
To: Tumbleweed_Connection
You know I'm getting tired of this "you have no right to question anything regarding John Kerry, cause he was in Vietnam!" crap. I am 31, couldn't have gone to Vietnam, but that doesn't mean I don't have the right to question him if he wants to be my leader!!
It's not like he didn't bring it up either.
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posted on
02/29/2004 8:27:15 PM PST
by
sandbar
To: glowworm
Regarding the FOIA, from the DoD WebSite
An individual's complete service record is available to the former service member or, if deceased, to his/her next of kin (parents, spouse, or children). Limited information (such as dates of service, awards, and training) is available to anyone. Not available to the general public is information which would invade an individual's privacy, such as medical records, Social Security number, or present address.
To: Rhys Ifans
Yes, it kills once it "escapes". Get your PSA tests guys.
The other guy you refer to is I think, Paul Tsongas, he seemed a fairly level headed guy compared to the current crop.
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posted on
02/29/2004 8:28:43 PM PST
by
1066AD
To: Hon
I don't think you are correct about the running for congress (although maybe you jest), he did leave early due to his three purple hearts.
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posted on
02/29/2004 8:31:50 PM PST
by
lt.america
(Captain was already taken)
To: Tumbleweed_Connection
Maybe if John McCain asked Cleland he would answer the question!!!
I actually can not believe Cleland has no Purple Heart....he must have really blown himself up like people have been saying.
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posted on
02/29/2004 8:34:20 PM PST
by
Ann Archy
(Abortion: The Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
To: Tumbleweed_Connection
I can't imagine (nor I suspect, can most on this forum) what it would be like to live without three limbs. Max Cleland bore his affliction with a great deal of grace, and had a notable and accomplished (if wrong-headed, from a conservative point of view) career, including Cabinet and Senate seats. But after his loss to Saxby Chambliss in 2002, he became bitter. He has made statements and insinuations about our Commander in Chief which go far beyond political hyperbole, and cross the line to premeditated falsehoods uttered for political gain, and to outright maliciousness.
Senator Cleland said that he quoted Shakespeare: "Those who jest at scars never felt a wound." I recall no such line by Shakespeare, and failed to find one in a brief search. I'll take Cleland at his word, and assume that the quote is genuine. But how is it appropriate to Senator Kerry's situation? We can't jest at scars we've never seen -- or scars which may never have existed.
With respect to Senator Cleland's scars, they are very real. And nobody, to my knowledge, has jested about them. But they were self-inflicted, an inconvenient fact which was rarely broached until the Senator began his unfounded assault on President Bush's integrity and honor. Cleland was quite literally "hoist with his own petard"*, and now he has been in the figurative sense, as well.
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* "For 'tis the sport to have the enginer / Hoist with his owne petar" -- Shakespeare, Hamlet III iv. "Hoist" was in Shakespeare's time the past participles of a verb "to hoise", which meant what "to hoist" does now: to lift. A petard (see under "peter out" for the etymology) was an explosive charge detonated by a slowly burning fuse. If the petard went off prematurely, then the sapper (military engineer; Shakespeare's "enginer") who planted it would be hurled into the air by the explosion. (Compare "up" in "to blow up".) A modern rendition might be: "It's fun to see the engineer blown up with his own bomb."
To: FormerACLUmember
Bush released everything down to his DENTAL records to answer the Geobbels Big Lie from the democrats that Bush was a deserter. Kerry medals are extremely suspect, particularly the Purple Hearts that got him out of Vietnam after 4 months. Some have been unkind enough to suggest that Kerry put in for a purple heart every time he bumped his head on the wheelhouse door. Personally I think his bronze and silver star citations are phoney too. He probably just picked those off the ground at the DC demonstrations when others were throwing them away. He needs to produce the documentation on his citations for military valor as well.
To: Tumbleweed_Connection
CLELAND: I got out five weeks early because I got blown up.
It would be more accurate to say you blew yourself up.
Maybe Cleland's wounds are similar to John Freakin' Kerry's. Now let's see, Cleland picked up a greande on his way to the beer hall, while Kerry?????
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posted on
02/29/2004 8:39:28 PM PST
by
leprechaun9
(Beware of little expenses because a small leak will sink a great ship!)
To: kimosabe31
Kerry is an arrogant deceitful gigolo!
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posted on
02/29/2004 8:40:25 PM PST
by
FormerACLUmember
(Man rises to greatness if greatness is expected of him)
To: sandbar
Military service doesn't exempt one from criticism for every action later in life, but there are some things that you will NOT understand if you haven't served in uniform, in combat or in Vietnam. Even though I've been in combat, I wasn't in Vietnam and there are issues that I am truly NOT qualified to judge intelligently.
I made this same point repeatedly to people questioning Bush's military record - if you didn't serve, there are some things that are outside your realm of knowledge. There are some things that those who never wore the uniform DON"T have the right to judge. Legally, for example, a jury of a soldier's peers consists only of others in uniform.
There are plenty of Vietnam vets who are questioning Senator Kerry on the Vietnam stuff, but I know I sure don't want folks who didn't go through it with me paasing judgment on how I performed my duty under fire.
To: Ann Archy
Senator Cleland's wounds were the result of an accident, which is no secret. The Purple Heart is ONLY awarded when wounds are inflicted as a direct result of enemy action. There are many wounded service members without Purple Hearts - accidents are a fact of combat zones. Accidental injuries are no less "service related" and Americans surely realize that these wounds are also a price of our liberty.
To: Ann Archy
Cleland evidently lost his limbs in a non-combat related accident in which he mistakenly picked up an armed grenade that exploded. The military does not award "hearts" for accidental injury...except maybe in the case of Kerry. See Ann Coulter's commentary's of 2/11 and 2/18.
To: Rhys Ifans
Paul Tsongas of Massachusetts was one of the Democratic candidates in 1992 and won the New Hampshire primary. He died a couple of days before inauguration day in 1997, so he would not have lived out his term if he had been elected in 1992.
To: gov_bean_ counter
"He will try to get elected with Hillary on the ticket knowing full well he will not live out his first term."LOL - It's a safe bet that ANYONE stupid enough to put the bitch on as their VP wouldn't live out their term!
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posted on
02/29/2004 8:49:42 PM PST
by
Wumpus Hunter
(<a href="http://moveon.org" target="blank">Communist front group</a>)
To: Rhys Ifans
"Who was that rat who died not long after running for president not so long ago? Wasn't he a liberal from the N.E. who eventually lost to Clinton?"
PAUL TSONGAS PASSES
January 20, 1997
TRANSCRIPT
Paul Tsongas, the former Massachusetts Senator, in 1992 a presidential candidate, died over the weekend from liver failure and pneumonia. He was 55 years old.
JIM LEHRER: Paul Tsongas, the former Massachusetts Senator, in 1992 presidential candidate, died over the weekend from liver failure and pneumonia. He was 55 years old. Tsongas served two terms in the House and then was elected to the Senate in 1978. In 1984, after only one term, he was diagnosed with cancer of the lymph nodes. He decided not to seek re-election so he could undergo aggressive treatment and be with his wife and three daughters. After a bone marrow transplant from his twin sister, his health improved, and he resumed his law practice in Boston. In 1992, he sought the Democratic presidential nomination, running second and went to the primary season behind then Governor Bill Clinton of Arkansas, who, of course, went on to win the presidency. During that campaign, Tsongas appeared on the NewsHour and discussed his political and personal philosophies with Judy Woodruff.
Rest of Transcript:
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/remember/1997/tsong_1-20.html
To: FormerACLUmember; gov_bean_ counter
Kerry had prostate surgery a few years ago.
I don't know whether he had prostate cancer or not and what the status is.
But he most certainly should release both his service records and his medical records.
We have a right to know.
Bush released all of his records, what is Kerry hiding?
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posted on
02/29/2004 8:58:01 PM PST
by
FairOpinion
("It's the judges, stupid." Re-elect Bush, send more Republicans to Congress.)
To: lt.america
"I don't think you are correct about the running for congress (although maybe you jest), he did leave early due to his three purple hearts."
I am exactly correct.
Kerry got out of active duty in the Navy six months early to run for Congress. He did not run (in 1970). He did run two years later.
Yes, he got reassigned out of VN because of his three PHs. But that was eigth months before his tour was up.
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posted on
02/29/2004 8:58:11 PM PST
by
Hon
To: Tumbleweed_Connection
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