Posted on 02/28/2004 12:26:57 PM PST by blam
I just love this sort of stuff...
May I ask you a question please? What would you say to those people that say that the O.T. and the N.T. are not connected or related to each other? Myself I don't buy that, and I Believe that they are both related and connected to each other. In fact, a lot of O.T. prophesy has been fulfilled in the N.T. hasn't it, and some yet to be fulfilled? What would be the best answer, in your opinion and/or based upon your knowledge of both the O.T. and N.T. to those people who say there is no connection or that there is no relationship to each other. A lot of people today are making those kind of claims.
Could you provide citations for your claims. I've read extensively on the Dead Sea Scrolls and I haven't heard this. I'd like to check it out for myself and add it to my corpus of knowledge should it pan out.
Same to you my friend.
If I were in a foul mood I would say to them that they are brainless dolts wandering around spouting whatever liberal garbage has fallen in their ear!
"Myself I don't buy that, and I Believe that they are both related and connected to each other."
Me either! (Can you tell?) The OT and NT are so inner-twined that, from a Christian perspective, one is almost incomprehensible without the other. The OT is the PROMISE. The NT is the FULFILLMENT.
"What would be the best answer, in your opinion and/or based upon your knowledge of both the O.T. and N.T. to those people who say there is no connection or that there is no relationship to each other."
Well, I would say that there is almost 900 direct quotes or allusions to the OT in the NT
Here is a partial list of citation: http://www.blueletterbible.org/study/misc/quotes.html
and here is a list of parallel passages: http://www.blueletterbible.org/study/pnt/pnt08.html
... and that there are over 300 prophesies give in the OT which are explicitly fulfilled in the NT. You may find a better list, but here is one for your reference: http://www.vojo.com/rev/messianic_prophecies.htm
But in the end many people will not be convinced because they do not want to be convinced. They wouldn't believe even if they saw Jesus rise from the dead with their own eyes because the inconvenient truth of the Lordship of Jesus Christ interferes with their plans for their life. But by His grace some will be persuaded - so keep up your work for the Lord!
Thanks a whole lot for your answer, and I will try to read the extra information, when I have a little more time.
This morning I read II Kings 22 & 23, and saw a direct connection between those chapters and I John 5: 21, which says: Little children keep yourselves from idols. Amen.
In King Josiah's day G-d ended up punishing Israel because they were commiting idolatry all over the place, and/or breaking the first of the 10 commandments: Exodus 20: 3 and Dueteronomy 5: 7. But G-d is the Same Yesterday, Today and Forever, as stated in Hebrews 13: 8, and His attitude and Commandments have (not) changed on the idoltry situation, I'm sure. And, what applies to the Jews also applies to the Gentiles-- even the Christian Gentiles, which I am one of. And, I know that I have to be very careful (not) to commit idolatry too-- even things I was unaware of that was idolatry before. This Easter, the bunny rabbit has nothing to do with Jesus rising from the dead and Santa has nothing to do with the Chrismas message. And, I Believe those to be forms of idolatry, among a million other things going on now, some seemingly innocent, but I Believe are a huge offence to The Lord.
I also fear for our nation because we have been taken into idolatry big time, and G-d is going to punish America just like He did Israel long ago. I can't help but think there are no exceptions to the rule in G-d's Word and His Commandments which says, "Thou shalt have no other gods before ME." "The Love of money" is certainly a big time idol in America, or can be to me or any of us if we're not careful. II Timothy 6: 10.
It's time I and we "all" as a nation and individuals turn back to the One andOnly True and Living G-d before it's forever too late, and time is swiftly running out anyway. "Blessed is the nation whose G-d is The Lord." Genesis 6:3 "And, The L-rd said, My Holy Spirit shall (not) always strive with man."
John 14:6 Jesus said, "I am The Way, The Truth and The Life, no man or person, cometh to The Father but by Me!!!
I'll try to do the best I can in serving The Lord. I fall short many times. But, I sure appreciate your encouragement! But, I especially appreciate H-s Awesome Mercy!!!
Oh yes, and King Josiah commanded his people to continue keeping the Passover, and here we are in the Passover season. I thought that was super exciting.
Maybe so, but they still teach it in colleges.
So do I, r9etb! Thank you for your post!
It'll require comparing the Laurence translation with the subsequent translations all the way through Charlesworth's edition (the Dead Sea Scrolls were discovered about midway).
But to give you a flavor of the issues:
Enoch Calendar Testifies of Christ
Modernist scholars have always proposed the hypothesis that is (1) contrary to tradition and (2) least favorable to the acceptance of the Bible as true.
The liberal assertion is that David is a myth, like the story of Arthur Pendragon. No evidence that he had an extensive kingdom with imposing public buildings. But new digs have discovered the foundations of a large palance where the Bible says such a place existed.
Supernatural influences at work. Many scholars are perverse in their view of reality, especially considering the supernatural purity of the Word of God.
Unlike the old pagans, the new pagans deny the existence of the supernatural. Confronted the irrefutable proof that a miraculous healous had occured at Lourdes, Emile Zola wrote a novel mocking such miracles. Even if one had occured before his very eyes he would have denied that it happened.
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I can now say with more assurance that as older and older documents are found they will be the same as what we already have. The notion that the books of the law are a fabrication of the post-exilic person is no more than
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Liberal Christianity simply believes that divine revelation is a delusion. Nothing short of the second coming will change their minds about this.
I think you're right, but in such cases they can date organic material that is found with the non-organic artifact.
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