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To: _Jim
RE: "MOST accidents and events are just that - accidents and failures of systems man has put together with the lowest bidder ..."

Throw in corruption. Not to single out Oklahoma (all states have corruption) but I've long believed that razing the building so quickly was more likely to cover up for shoddy construction materials, etc. I do remember Oklahoma-related corruption and federal construction projects preceding the construction of the building. Mostly on the interstate highway system in the 1960s I believe.

But the idea that it was just McVeigh and Nichols is nuts. I've long asked why so many were willing to let the others go. Why weren't people who saw McVeigh that morning allowed to testify at his trail? Ans: because they saw him with others. The witnesses were just ordinary Americans who happened to be in the area.

68 posted on 02/27/2004 7:39:07 PM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (Benedict Arnold was a hero for both sides in the same war, too!)
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To: WilliamofCarmichael
Throw in corruption.

Throw in stupidity, throw in inadequate supervision during cruciual test phases, during materials testing, throw in any number of workmanship issues ...

But the idea that it was just McVeigh and Nichols is nuts.
You've NO substantive evidence to the contrary - only conspiracy grade tails, talk and inuendo WHEREAS the evidence against McVeigh, Nichols and Fortier is pretty damn airtight ...

I'll bet none of you arm-chair 'detectives' knew this part of Nichols and McVeighs activities -

- excerpted from:

www.courttv.com/archive/casefiles/oklahoma/documents/complaint2.html

JAMES NICHOLS further stated that he has observed MCVEIGH and TERRY NICHOLS making and exploding "bottle bombs" at his residence in 1992, using brake fluid, gasoline, and diesel fuel. JAMES NICHOLS further stated that he participated with MCVEIGH and TERRY NICHOLS in making "bottle bombs" in 1992, and that in 1994 he, JAMES NICHOLS, has made small explosive devices using prescription vials, pyrodex, blasting caps, and safety fuse.

JAMES NICHOLS further stated that he was aware of "survival books" belonging to his brother, TERRY NICHOLS, and that he knew that those books contained information about making bombs and information dealing with ammonium nitrate bombs.

JAMES NICHOLS further stated that he believed that TIMOTHY MCVEIGH had the knowledge to manufacture a bomb. JAMES NICHOLS denied that he had ever purchased ammonium nitrate, and stated that he had no knowledge that TERRY NICHOLS or TIMOTHY MCVEIGH ever purchased any.

...

4. On or about April 21 through April 24, 1995, FBI agents conducted a search of the farm belonging to JAMES NICHOLS in Decker, Michigan.

One of the buildings searched was a pole barn, in which the agents found, among other items, the following: 28 fifty pound bags of fertilizer containing ammonium nitrate; a 55 gallon drum containing fuel oil; large quantities of 35% solution of hydrogen peroxide; and 1/2 pint of aluminum powder.

Also located at the farm were large fuel tanks, which appeared to contain diesel fuel. All of these materials can be used as ingredients in improvised explosives.

In addition, located in the farm house, the agents found a supply of non-electric blasting caps, pyrodex (black powder), and safety fuse. In addition, in a field located in the vicinity of the farm buildings, the agents found jagged-edged metal fragments, which appear to be shrapnel from the detonation of explosive devices.

5. An interview conducted on April 21, 1995, with Daniel Stomber, 5896 Deckerville Road, Evergreen Township, Decker, Michigan, reveals that he was present at the farm of JAMES NICHOLS on several occasions when JAMES NICHOLS and TERRY NICHOLS manufactured small explosive devices. Stomber explained that the Nichols brothers would mix fertilizer, peroxide, and bleach in plastic pop bottles and detonate them around the Nichols farm. Stomber recalls JAMES stating, "We're getting better at it" when he referred to the bombmaking.

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12. An interview was conducted on April 24, 1995, with a cooperating individual who has requested that his/her identity be protected (hereinafter "CI #2"). CI #2 advised that during the period between August 1987 and May 1990, he/she had occasion to visit the NICHOLS farm on a regular basis, approximately 3 or 4 times each year. Approximately 6 years ago, CI #2, during a visit to a shed on the Nichols farm, detected a strong odor of diesel fuel, which he/she described as stronger than on prior occasions. NICHOLS explained that they had been having fun making cardboard bombs. CI #2 observed an empty cardboard milk carton sitting on a work bench in the shed. Also observed in the he shed by CI #2 was a large pile of urea fertilizer, approximately fifty 50-pound bags, which CI #2 knows is a nitrogen source of fertilizer. CI #2 stated that he/she has never seen such a sizeable amount of fertilizer. 13. CI #2 recalls that his/her next visit to the NICHOLS farm occurred shortly after some type of bombing disaster had occurred in the world. CI #2 stated that NICHOLS rambled nervously about the United States being responsible for this bombing disaster. NICHOLS went on to explain how a small bomb can do damage such as what had just occurred in the disaster.

14. CI #2 advised that NICHOLS repeatedly blamed the federal government for all of the problems in the world, stating that he despised the United States Government.


71 posted on 02/27/2004 7:54:42 PM PST by _Jim ( <--- Ann C. and Rush L. speak on gutless Liberals (RealAudio files))
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