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To: alpowolf
If somebody peddles a story as fact without evidence to back it up, that is propaganda.

Actually, propaganda can be something that is factually TRUE as well. There were eyewitness accounts about the shredders from multiple sources. That is "evidence". Maybe not hard enough for you, but what can you expect in a country like Saddams Iraq?

Sure, there are a thousand different conceivable scenarios that would explain why there is no evidence. But that is true of virtually any assertion.

But there were eyewitness accounts, its not just an assertion. What made them believable is that people KNEW the nature of Saddams regime. Its like, if another woman had said that Clinton had an affair with her, and she had a friend that corroborated the story, one might tend to believe it because of Clintons KNOWN nature.

I could claim that Bush did indeed plant the shredder; what would you do? Demand proof of course. As you should.

Well sure, just show how he traveled back in time. Show me a few witnesses who saw him back in 1996 in Iraq..

29 posted on 02/27/2004 8:01:16 AM PST by Paradox (Cogito ergo moon.)
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To: Paradox
Actually, propaganda can be something that is factually TRUE as well.

You've got me there, that is correct. I should have said "bullshit". For that's what it is sans evidence.

There were eyewitness accounts about the shredders from multiple sources.

Sources with an axe to grind--for example read the article posted in #28 by another poster. That person and her org plainly went into the exercise with the object of emotionally swaying people to their cause.

Maybe not hard enough for you, but what can you expect in a country like Saddams Iraq?

No, not hard enough for me. What can I expect? That anyone who asserts it as fact can back it up. If they can't they should make that clear.

I will concede that the story is believable. But that's not the same thing.

Interesting that someone finally brought up Clinton. I remember how people went over every little lie he and his sycophants told; and I thought that was a good thing. I remember people saying that they were doing it because the truth matters; because letting lies go unchallenged corrodes the moral fabric of society. I agree. So why have so many people abandoned that standard? Did they really mean it when they said it? I am increasingly coming to doubt it.

33 posted on 02/27/2004 8:15:44 AM PST by alpowolf
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