Hideous, Stupid and Barbaric (Anti-Passion Alert!)

To: savedbygrace

Why is it silly? Just curious.

101 posted on 02/27/2004 10:46:37 AM PST by madison10

Because it takes a prophecy that was fulfilled symbolically on the cross, and makes it out to be literal. I saw no sense in the snake scene whatsoever. It served more to divert attention away from Jesus's agony in the Garden.

102 posted on 02/27/2004 11:03:35 AM PST by savedbygrace

To: Reelect President Dubya

Monty Python? I doubt it.

103 posted on 02/27/2004 11:07:38 AM PST by Dead Dog

[ The sword in the side was not to finish Jesus off, it was to ensure that He was dead. If He had cried out, the Romans would have, at that point, broken His legs. The liquid pouring out was also proof that Jesus had died. ]

True, forgot his body was already dead from the Romans point of view..
btw, the sword was also a fullfilling of scripture(prophecy)(i.e. a blessing in several ways)...

LIKE YOU COULD KILL the son of GOD... LoL...

One of the ultimate messages of the Passion of Christ.
NOBODY DIES... everybody spends eternity somewhere...

Proving that we are not here for a spritual experience but for a human one... the spirit will live on...
Is God cool or WHAT!.?..

104 posted on 02/27/2004 11:35:01 AM PST by hosepipe

Who do we believe, experts who have spent their lives studying the Bible.....

There are EXPERTS and then there are 'experts'.....

Get taught by GOD.

Isaiah 29

1. Woe to you, Ariel, Ariel, the city where David settled! Add year to year and let your cycle of festivals go on.
2. Yet I will besiege Ariel; she will mourn and lament, she will be to me like an altar hearth.
3. I will encamp against you all around; I will encircle you with towers and set up my siege works against you.
4. Brought low, you will speak from the ground; your speech will mumble out of the dust. Your voice will come ghostlike from the earth; out of the dust your speech will whisper.
5. But your many enemies will become like fine dust, the ruthless hordes like blown chaff. Suddenly, in an instant,
6. the LORD Almighty will come with thunder and earthquake and great noise, with windstorm and tempest and flames of a devouring fire.
7. Then the hordes of all the nations that fight against Ariel, that attack her and her fortress and besiege her, will be as it is with a dream, with a vision in the night--
8. as when a hungry man dreams that he is eating, but he awakens, and his hunger remains; as when a thirsty man dreams that he is drinking, but he awakens faint, with his thirst unquenched. So will it be with the hordes of all the nations that fight against Mount Zion.
9. Be stunned and amazed, blind yourselves and be sightless; be drunk, but not from wine, stagger, but not from beer.
10. The LORD has brought over you a deep sleep: He has sealed your eyes (the prophets); he has covered your heads (the seers).
11. For you this whole vision is nothing but words sealed in a scroll. And if you give the scroll to someone who can read, and say to him, "Read this, please," he will answer, "I can't; it is sealed."
12. Or if you give the scroll to someone who cannot read, and say, "Read this, please," he will answer, "I don't know how to read."
13. The Lord says: "These people come near to me with their mouth and honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. Their worship of me is made up only of rules taught by men.
14. Therefore once more I will astound these people with wonder upon wonder; the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."

Isaiah 54:12-13

All your sons will be taught by the LORD, and great will be your children's peace.

Matthew 15:7-9
7. You hypocrites! Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you:
8. "`These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me.
9. They worship me in vain; their teachings are but rules taught by men.' "

John 6:45
It is written in the Prophets: `They will all be taught by God.' Everyone who listens to the Father and learns from him comes to me.

105 posted on 02/27/2004 11:55:13 AM PST by Elsie (When the avalanche starts... it's too late for the pebbles to vote....)

"... I doubt I'd be interested in continuing this conversation. I've really, really had my fill of it lately."

I'm not surprised you don't wish to continue especially after your hit and run attack on me. Everything I posted is a matter of history which you choose to portray as "anti-Catholic propaganda".

"The rest of your allegations, especially the implication of poisoning,..."

No allegations. History.

As for the "poisoning" please note I was careful to parenthesize it as follows: (Some claim he was poisoned?). What does that mean to you?

It is obvious your "fair amount of research" on the Jesuits didn't get past the apologits stage.

I respect your desire to drop the subject and only felt it necessary to defend myself against your spurious charges. If, however, you wish information concerning the suppression and/or expulsion of the Jesuits over the years and in predominately Roman Catholic countries, I'd be happy to supply you with references.

In the meanwhile you could possibly gain some enlightenment The Catholic Encyclopedia Unless, of course, you consider it to be a source of anti-Catholic propaganda.

106 posted on 02/27/2004 12:03:01 PM PST by OLD REGGIE ((I am a cult of one! UNITARJEWMIAN) Maybe a Biblical Unitarian?)

Seems like Mr. Reporter is offended

"Blessed is he who finds no occasion of stumbling in me" - Jesus Christ

107 posted on 02/27/2004 12:06:20 PM PST by BSunday (WE all did it)

To: savedbygrace

I saw no sense in the snake scene whatsoever.

I got it immediately and realized that some folks do not 'get' Jesus' parables, so they, too, have to be instructed another way so that the point is made.

We folks who have knowledge of the Scriptures sometimes forget that there WAS a time when we didn't.

The 'snake' seen may not 'mean' anything to a newbie, but there IS a gut reaction to snakes, built into humans, and even the most unlearned among us has undoubtably encountered an Adam&Eve picture with the 'snake' entwined around the tree.

Maybe the scene was for THEM: not us.....

108 posted on 02/27/2004 12:06:52 PM PST by Elsie (When the avalanche starts... it's too late for the pebbles to vote....)

Especially no pats, because heavens, I was an occasion of sin.

That's not Christianity

109 posted on 02/27/2004 12:32:40 PM PST by Tribune7 (Vote Toomey April 27)

The more girls sign up for altar service, the fewer boys do.

That's true in a lot of things. The girls want to do someting only because the boys are doing it. They start doing it. The boys stop doing it.

Taken to an extreme you end up with a generation of boys who never become men, and a generation of very unhappy women.

110 posted on 02/27/2004 12:42:22 PM PST by Tribune7 (Vote Toomey April 27)

Jesus Himself described His death as the time when He would be raised up and draw all humanity to Himself. It is the image of Jesus raised up upon the cross that the crucifix memorializes.

111 posted on 02/28/2004 5:51:41 PM PST by TheGeezer (If only I had skin as thick as Ann Coulter, and but half her intelligence...)

I think the proper question is how often is she mentioned during and after the Passion?

She was at the cross. Pretty big part of the Passion there.

112 posted on 02/28/2004 5:52:05 PM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (Pick my weapon? Ok I choose sledge hammers.... in seven feet of water.)

You know, I absolutely LOVE how this movie is making people react. Some of them are just kicking and screaming, and I'm sorry, I am starting to think it's a riot. Seriously, people are trying to talk their way out of receiving the Holy Spirit. You gotta laugh, you know?

113 posted on 03/01/2004 12:01:09 AM PST by sfRummygirl ('The Purpose Driven Life' ;-))

Mary, by the way, is hardly off of the screen, when in fact she is seldom mentioned in the Gospel accounts.

That's about the only part I agree with. Gibson's catholic background is evident in the film, especially in the huge amount of screen time Mary gets as compared to her very limited role in the gospels.

114 posted on 03/01/2004 12:07:50 AM PST by Bronco_Buster_FweetHyagh

The Christians that are reacting this way to the movie are the ones that are somehow disconnected emotionally from the theology. They mostly are liberal Christians, that are embarassed to ever admit in public that Christ is the Messiah, and groups like the Mormons and J. Witnesses.

115 posted on 03/01/2004 12:12:31 AM PST by sfRummygirl ('The Purpose Driven Life' ;-))

Oh my God, you have displayed exactly what I was talking about!
I'm not trying to be rude. I actually would like to help you somehow, if I can.

116 posted on 03/01/2004 12:15:08 AM PST by sfRummygirl ('The Purpose Driven Life' ;-))

"did churn up some deeply held doubts about whether God loves me."

He does. So much so that He gave His Son for us.
You sound so sad. ;-(

117 posted on 03/01/2004 12:19:15 AM PST by sfRummygirl ('The Purpose Driven Life' ;-))

I definitely believe you!

118 posted on 03/01/2004 12:22:20 AM PST by sfRummygirl ('The Purpose Driven Life' ;-))

(Major issues alert)

119 posted on 03/01/2004 12:29:13 AM PST by sfRummygirl ('The Purpose Driven Life' ;-))

120 posted on 03/01/2004 12:32:13 AM PST by sfRummygirl ('The Purpose Driven Life' ;-))

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