[AFPhys]

It states in the Bible that Jesus was dead before they even came to break the legs of those crucified (to get the bodies out of the way before the Passover Sabbath.) That surprised the soldiers, since people typically took a LONG time to die from crucifixion since (unless the legs were broken) they died from suffocation being too tired to hold themselves up.

Gibson certainly did a great deal of historical research about Roman torture methods before the movie was shot - that is clear to me - and everything I've yet heard about it is consistent with the whole of the Bible. I'm amazed that anybody who claims to be a religious scholar is objecting that the level of violence portrayed is not realistic.

I'm still shaking my head and asking myself why they are denying it.

[.cnI redruM]

I'm not totally adverse to the idea that Gibson's movie may have got things wrong. What annoys me and makes me take up Gibson's cause this morning, is the whole paranoid screed about it being a plot.

These liberals have Cynthia McKinney representing their party in congress and claiming Jews were behind 9/11. Their silence during that blatantly antisemitic vituperation was deafening.

But if Mel Gibson makes a movie that depicts Jews in a negative historical light, we need to man the barricades? Give me a break!

[Mamzelle]

For a lamb to be sacrificed at Passover, it must be perfect, with no broken bones. That's why he died before his bones needed to be broken to hasten death.

[cyncooper]

Exactly. They broke the legs of the others crucified with Him, but when they came to Jesus he was already dead. To be sure they pierced him with a spear.

Note to Esterbrook, *pierced him with a spear*, not tickled him with a reed or pinch him with their hands. Yes, this was to make sure he was dead so he would not have felt it, but it kind of indicates how they treated their victims. They would have broken his leg if he had been alive, but in fulfillment of scripture his bones were not broken.

[PhilipFreneau]

I'm still shaking my head and asking myself why they are denying it.

"But, beloved, remember ye the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ; How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts." - Jude 1:17-18

We have seen many of these mockers of late, ranging from the subtle (Ted Kopple), to the buffoons (Andy Rooney).