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L.A. Officers Kill Suspect as Viewers Watch on TV
TvSpy Shoptalk ^ | 2-25-2004 | Richard Winton and Kevin Pang

Posted on 02/25/2004 7:22:34 AM PST by Hillary's Lovely Legs

Los Angeles police shot and killed a robbery suspect on live TV at the end of a 90-minute car chase early Monday, firing into a rear windshield as the driver slowly backed his car toward officers in front of Santa Monica High School.

Nicholas Hans Killinger, 23, of Malibu died an hour after three Los Angeles police officers, "fearing for their lives," fired into the back window of his Ford Tempo, said Lt. Art Miller.

"The suspect could have ended this situation at any time," said Miller. "But instead he chose to reverse his car into the officers." The officers, not yet identified, are from the Hollywood and Rampart divisions.

Killinger's family, including some who saw the 5:54 a.m. shooting on TV as it happened, questioned the deadly police response. Five local TV stations aired the chase and shooting.

"Why did they have to shoot him so many times?" asked Emma Jean Killinger, the man's aunt. Killinger lived with her family in Malibu for the last three or four months, she said.

"I was shocked," she said, "because he was supposed to come home last night."

Los Angeles Police Chief William J. Bratton pledged that his investigators will review the shooting "with a fine-tooth comb" to determine whether it conformed to department guidelines. Police can use deadly force to protect themselves or others "from immediate threat of death or serious bodily harm."

Bratton has been seeking to restrict the LAPD's deadly force guidelines that now allow officers to shoot at vehicles that pose a threat. Other departments have banned the practice, citing the danger to innocent bystanders.

LAPD policy states that shooting "at or from a moving vehicle is generally prohibited," except as a last resort.

"We are going to modify the existing policy," Bratton said. Any such change of policy requires Police Commission approval.

The Los Angeles district attorney's office and the Santa Monica Police Department are investigating the incident, which began at an Agoura Hills gas station about 4:30 a.m.

Killinger, armed with a knife, is suspected of tying up the gas station attendant and stealing $180 from the register, authorities said. Killinger was convicted in 2003 for assault with a deadly weapon, court records show.

Los Angeles County sheriff's deputies were alerted, and they spotted Killinger driving east on the Ventura Freeway through Sherman Oaks.

The chase was taken over by the California Highway Patrol. When Killinger left the freeway in Hollywood, LAPD officers took over the pursuit.

For more than an hour, Killinger sped through side streets and drove on the wrong side of the road.

"Along the way he threw out the money," Miller said. At one point, the pursuit raced through the pedestrian portion of Santa Monica's Third Street Promenade.

Killinger was driving east on Pico Boulevard, then tried to make a U-turn on 6th Street, according to the videotaped broadcast. He could not complete the U-turn and began rolling backward, toward two LAPD patrol cars that had stopped behind him.

Three officers stood alongside their patrol cars and fired about 11 rounds into the rear window of Killinger's car as it began moving in reverse.

Killinger's car bumped the front of one patrol car and the driver's side door flung open. Bullets could be seen hitting the car near the opening. Killinger fell face down out of the driver's side door.

Lt. Miller said the officers told investigators they were in fear for their lives and they believed the suspect was a danger to the public.

Monday's shooting revisited a long-standing debate on the live broadcast of police pursuits. In April 1998, local TV stations drew criticism for broadcasting a man as he shot himself on a Century Freeway overpass.

KTLA Channel 5 news director Jeff Wald said the station now has a policy of switching to a wide angle shot if the helicopter pilots anticipate a pursuit is about to end. The station broadcast Monday's shooting because "I'm sure they didn't know … what was going on at the time."

KABC-TV's news helicopter was hovering above the passenger side of the suspect's vehicle and puffs of smoke could be seen as officers fired their weapons. When the suspect was hit, their camera began zooming out.

"The minute the suspect started to put himself in an aggressive position, our chopper pilot told his cameraman to pull out," said KABC news director Cheryl Fair. "We're very conscious of the potential and try as best we can to handle this situation in a sensitive fashion. But it is live television."

KNBC-TV news director Bob Long said his station will not replay the shooting again and will only display a still picture. "There's no reason to show it," Long said.


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1 posted on 02/25/2004 7:22:35 AM PST by Hillary's Lovely Legs
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To: Hillary's Lovely Legs
"Why did they have to shoot him so many times?" asked Emma Jean Killinger

*sigh*

2 posted on 02/25/2004 7:25:23 AM PST by null and void (Never use a premonition to end a seance with)
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To: Hillary's Lovely Legs
Like "The Pasion of Christ", the filmmaker should have tried a happy ending
3 posted on 02/25/2004 7:26:14 AM PST by woofie ( If at first you don't succeed, destroy all evidence that you tried)
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To: *Donut watch; *bang_list
[Police began] firing into a rear windshield as the driver slowly backed his car toward officers in front of Santa Monica High School.

Nicholas Hans Killinger, 23, of Malibu died an hour after three Los Angeles police officers, "fearing for their lives," fired into the back window of his Ford Tempo, said Lt. Art Miller.

The standard for deadly threat that merits deadly force sure seems a lot different for these cops than for the rest of us.

4 posted on 02/25/2004 7:29:52 AM PST by coloradan (Hence, etc.)
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To: null and void
I feel for this woman, but that's how these things go.

Hmm, let's see: After a ninety-minute car chase, the perp (with violent priors) backs his car towards some police officers on the ground, IN FRONT OF A SCHOOL.

That is Dumb*ss-speak for: "PLEASE SHOOT ME RIGHT NOW."
5 posted on 02/25/2004 7:30:54 AM PST by Frank_Discussion (May the wings of Liberty never lose a feather!)
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To: Hillary's Lovely Legs
>Nicholas Hans Killinger, 23, of Malibu

Oops. I am sorry.
I thought it said the guy's name
was Klinger. My bad . . .

6 posted on 02/25/2004 7:38:49 AM PST by theFIRMbss
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To: Hillary's Lovely Legs
This kind of police shooting happens from time to time & always seems to be televised.

The perp was an idiot, to be sure. But I must admit the texbook(& lethal) reaction of the police has always kinda bothered me.

I'd like to see the definition of 'imminent threat' where the use of a vehicle is concerned refined somewhat.

7 posted on 02/25/2004 7:39:39 AM PST by skeeter
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To: Hillary's Lovely Legs
'News' stations won't say this, but this is why they show car chases LIVE.
8 posted on 02/25/2004 7:42:35 AM PST by OXENinFLA
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To: Frank_Discussion
Yup.
9 posted on 02/25/2004 7:55:25 AM PST by null and void (Never use a premonition to end a seance with)
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To: Hillary's Lovely Legs
"Why did they have to shoot him so many times?"

To make sure he's dead, DUH!

Killinger, armed with a knife...

Wrong. He was also armed with a 4000 lb deadly weapon called a CAR. Just like waving a gun at a cop (or at me for that matter) will get you shot, no questions asked, even hinting your going to threaten COPS with a DEADLY WEAPON will and should get you shot, pronto.

10 posted on 02/25/2004 7:57:36 AM PST by Jotmo ("Voon", said the mattress.)
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To: Hillary's Lovely Legs
too bad I missed it.
11 posted on 02/25/2004 8:01:31 AM PST by petercooper (America - where your problems aren't your fault, they're someone else's.)
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To: null and void
"When in doubt, empty the clip."

Did anyone actually see this live?

12 posted on 02/25/2004 8:02:58 AM PST by Dead Corpse (For an Evil Super Genius, you aren't too bright are you?)
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To: coloradan
The standard for deadly threat that merits deadly force sure seems a lot different for these cops than for the rest of us.

A car rolling under it's own power has enough force to kill a child or put an adolescent into critical care, if they live. A car under low power, 5-15 mph, has enough force to completely crush the pelvis, fibia, or the tib/fibs in the lower legs. If the officers were kneeling or on the ground at the time, the car could crush them - drive ribs into the lungs, pericardium, and I've even seen an aortic tear from a low speed crush. If the car at low speed trapped and pressed the cops into another solid object, like another parked car, they could very easily receive a compression asphyxia injury which kills many during transport.

The essential point it that I have had to try to save these guys lives when I worked as a paramedic and now see them roll into my trauma ER. People like you don't comprehend just how much danger is involved in a scene described by this article and how many cops are killed or permanently injured due to 'they don't have to shoot' ordinances that kill cops but make the lefties feel good that cops won't be able to shoot the bad guys.

13 posted on 02/25/2004 8:03:14 AM PST by Ophiucus
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To: Hillary's Lovely Legs
good riddance. you play with fire, you WILL get burned.
14 posted on 02/25/2004 8:03:47 AM PST by KantianBurke (Principles, not blind loyalty)
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To: null and void
3 cops, 11 rounds. 3,4 and 4. Sounds like they showed great restraint to me.
15 posted on 02/25/2004 8:04:53 AM PST by cyclotic (Cub Scouts-Teach 'em young to be men, and politically incorrect in the process)
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To: Hillary's Lovely Legs; All
Anyone got a link to a site that's got the video?
16 posted on 02/25/2004 8:05:36 AM PST by Johnny Gage (God Bless our Firefighters, our Police, our EMS responders, and most of all, our Veterans)
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To: null and void
It was interesting to watch it live (on FOX or MSNBC), and then hear that the guy was dead a few hours later. When watching it live, the guy backed up slowly, bumped a police car, opened the door, and got on the ground. Cops approached him slowly, and handcuffed him. I had no idea that any shots had been fired.

It's interesting that they are not replaying the tape, as seeing it sure makes me wonder if 11 shots was excessive.

17 posted on 02/25/2004 8:06:32 AM PST by rocklobster11
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To: Hillary's Lovely Legs
Violent priors...good riddance.
18 posted on 02/25/2004 8:08:02 AM PST by #3Fan (Kerry to POW-MIA activists: "You'll wish you'd never been born.". Link on my homepage.)
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To: Ophiucus
1. If a car is rolling slowly, someone can get out of the way. Since he was going slowly, it looks like he was trying to do a U-turn in a non-threatening way to the cops. If he accelerated or made the turn rapidly, ok, but he didn't.

2. Do you think a citizen, who saw a car roll SLOWLY towards him, could shoot to kill the driver and expect to be cleared of wrongdoing, because a slowly moving car is a deadly threat that merits deadly force? I don't.
19 posted on 02/25/2004 8:09:43 AM PST by coloradan (Hence, etc.)
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To: Jotmo
Hey, 11 rounds, three cops, through glass no less. Average of 3.6 rounds each. Rather than criticism for "so many rounds", these guys deserve kudos for accuracy and restraint. Other agencies should do so well.

Good shootin' boys.
20 posted on 02/25/2004 8:12:16 AM PST by absalom01 (Seattle math: shots fired/17=total number of officers involved. heh.)
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