[Dead Corpse]

Which is all pretty much what I was saying from the get-go you moron.

BTW. It looks like for private owners, you are liable under civil proceedings if someone steals your gun and uses it in a crime because you didn't have it locked up.

Text is here:

Boxer Amendment

Not as bad as it could have been, but more than bad enough. This needs to be pulled from the original Bill.

[RockChucker]

Not bad?

How about this:
``(A) IN GENERAL.--Notwithstanding any other provision of law, a person who has lawful possession and control of a handgun, and who uses a secure gun storage or safety device with the handgun, shall be entitled to immunity from a qualified civil liability action."

So, unless we lock our guns up in our homes, we are responsible for an ant of a 3rd party who, for instance, stole the weapon and caused damages, injury or death?

[DBrow]

Your search link to Thomas expired. I fumbled around to get the text and was not able to, could you post the entire text here?

Thanks, Dead Corpse.

[No.6]

"BTW. It looks like for private owners, you are liable under civil proceedings if someone steals your gun and uses it in a crime because you didn't have it locked up."

At present it is possible for anyone to bring civil suit against you for this. That shouldn't be a surprise; you can bring civil suit against people for lots of things.

This provision does not *add* any new civil liability to us as firearms owners. What it does do is remove all possibility of liability for those who elect to store their firearms in a "secure gun storage or safety device." What does that mean?

Armed with the section 921(a)(34) I found the definition:

(34) The term ''secure gun storage or safety device'' means -
(A) a device that, when installed on a firearm, is designed to
prevent the firearm from being operated without first
deactivating the device;
(B) a device incorporated into the design of the firearm that
is designed to prevent the operation of the firearm by anyone not
having access to the device; or
(C) a safe, gun safe, gun case, lock box, or other device that
is designed to be or can be used to store a firearm and that is
designed to be unlocked only by means of a key, a combination, or
other similar means.

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/casecode/uscodes/18/parts/i/chapters/44/sections/section_921.html

That means that if you have your firearm in a safe of any kind, including the quick-release ones, that you will be rendered immune to liability if someone takes it. It does not mean only trigger locks.

Note that the original Boxer amendment 2620 did not have this provision, but the amendment of the amendment 2622 (which is what passed) does.

IMO unless there's a detail (in which case post source) this is a net gain for us, which explains the Republican vote on the matter.

[Monitor]

Which is all pretty much what I was saying from the get-go you moron.

No, it's not. Here are your words:

Boxer's Child safety locks REQUIRED on all guns amendment.

Oops, not quite. According to the amendment, gun dealers will have to supply all guns they sell with a lock. No big deal, as NIB guns come with one anyway. And I don't have to keep my guns locked up, but if I do, I "shall be entitled to immunity from a qualified civil liability action." Oooo, that EEEEvil Barbara Boxer (along with all those EEEEvil Republicans) just granted me immunity - how dare they.

Nope, she is calling this a LAW. You would be required to use it by the sound of it. Enforcement? Sounds mostly like Point of Sale kinda thing, but I'd be willing to bet they would want a penalty for non-comppliance when they stumble on it.

BZZZT! Wrong again. We would not be required to use a locking device.

BS. You shoulda heard what Boxer just added to it. They gave away half the farm on that one.

Half of who's farm to who? Again, I now have a way (which I never did before) to gain immunity from civil liability. Who wins and who looses? Little Johnny "Off-his-meds" Prozak takes a hammer and chistle to your gun lock, takes your gun, shoots up a school, and YOU HAVE IMMUNITY.

The Boxer Amendment requires that gun lock be sold with all new handgun purchases. $2500 fine if your unlocked gun is used in an accident, stolen and used in crime, ect... It also REQUIRES that firearms manufacturers have integral locking devices and load indicators. We are waiting for the amendment to be added to Thomas.loc.gov to see exactly what it DOES say.

You got the first sentence right, but the next two sentences are both wrong. AGAIN.

Bullsh*t Shooter. We were sold out by at least 20 Republicans.

Sold out. By 20 Republicans. Who gave us immunity from civil liability. Get a grip.

Hey jackass. Can't you count? Look at the list I posted above. Your beloved Republicans SOLD US OUT. Are you so enamored of the GOP that you actually think one single Libertarian or RLC candidate would have voted with those 23 traitors? Get a grip.

And here we go with the bashing of not only the Republicans - who didn't sell you out - but of Republican supporters who aren't so quick to condemn (unlike you) before all the evidence is in.

Well the rest is just more of the same uninformed Republican and Republican supporter bashing.