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FR MOVIE REVUE: THE PASSION OF CHRIST (post your comments here)
2/24/04 | FR MOVIE REVIEWERS

Posted on 02/24/2004 11:28:50 AM PST by Liz

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To: commish
Your comment about the responses to reporters really hit home. I went to the show alone, and told my wife I really couldn't talk about it last night. I needed some time.
701 posted on 02/26/2004 7:44:18 PM PST by gitmo (Who is John Galt?)
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To: PoisedWoman; AppyPappy; Hank Kerchief
"Being whipped, scourged, and crucified for us has always turned me off.....what a peculiar way to demonstrate love.

In the end on the cross, Jesus said,
"Forgive them Father, for they know not what they do."

The crucifixion of Jesus was MAN at his sinful worst.

The Son of God on the Cross, forgave the worst that mankind can be, when they did not deserve it.
Nor do we deserve His forgiveness.

Yet, if he can forgive those that personally crucified Him, how much more forgiveness is there... for *you and me?*

And *that* my friend, is the point of God's peculiar demonstration of His love.

702 posted on 02/26/2004 7:46:48 PM PST by FBD (...Please press 2 for English...for Espanol, please stay on the line...)
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To: Liz
Mel Gibson will be on Jay Leno's show tonight (NBC-11:30 EST). His reaction to the reception of his film should be interesting.
703 posted on 02/26/2004 8:10:44 PM PST by windchime (Podesta about Bush: "He's got four years to try to undo all the stuff we've done." (TIME-1/22/01))
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To: 50sDad
I agree with you. The people who are critisizing this movie for not telling the real story of Christ, in their words, are the liberal churches, for one. I saw the United Methodists spokesman on the news, and he said that the resurrection was secondary.
I couldn't believe it.
I have also noticed the Mormon church having this reaction.
I'm not saying they are 'less holier than me', for not feeling as moved by this. But I find it very interesting.

This movie is not afraid to call Jesus/Yeshua the Messiah.

Are there any Messianic Jews out there? I like talking to you guys.;-)
704 posted on 02/26/2004 8:39:05 PM PST by sfRummygirl (+)
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To: philosofy123
The Lutheran church, at least the LCMS, still has the passion roots around.
705 posted on 02/26/2004 8:50:47 PM PST by sfRummygirl (+)
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To: Liz
no time to read the hundreds of posts now -- bump to read later.

Watching the film is just catching a glimpse of what it must have been like. You know that, for all the protests about Gibson's "graphic" portrayal, he has provided only a hint at what the true horror of the actual scourging and crucifixion must have been like. And so much of Christ's suffering is off-screen, due to the collapse of time, cut-aways, flashbacks, and camera shots of the soldiers' or crowd's reactions.

As for the charge of anti-Semitism, I think the natural reaction to the film is for the viewer to desire to amend his life and avoid committing the sins which cause Our Lord to suffer so -- not to compound them by adding on new ones. The Jews that brought Him before Pilate and Herod are the ones who needed to convince them that He had broken Roman law and deserved death. Of course they will look bad. (Yet He forgives them.)

And I have not heard any of the media reviewers point out that when several of the high priests begin to complain to Caiaphas that "the rest of the council are not here" and that proper legal procedure is being violated, Caiaphas has these priests (in their robes and mitres) forcibly ejected from the hall. This scene is extra-biblical, but does drive home that in Mel Gibson's original script, Christ's condemners are portaryed as a minority faction of the high priests led by Caiaphas who railroad Christ via a kangaroo court.

706 posted on 02/26/2004 8:57:29 PM PST by Dajjal
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To: sweet_diane
It is a relief to acknowledge the hunger, isn't it? No matter how hard it was to watch what I did to Christ, I never want to go back to starving again.
707 posted on 02/26/2004 9:06:57 PM PST by sfRummygirl (+)
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To: Liz
I have never before wept while watching a movie.

This afternoon I did.

Words fail me.
708 posted on 02/26/2004 9:13:36 PM PST by antonz
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To: luckystarmom
There is no information WHAT SO EVER about what happened to Joseph, Jesus' earthly father. No one has any idea what happened to him.

After Jesus began his ministry, we only hear about his mother, brothers and sisters. Joseph just disappears.

Of Jesus' brothers, James and Judas (a.k.a. "Jude") became very significant leaders in the Jerusalem church. James, according to Josephus, was killed at the hands of the Sanhendrin. They didn't even bother asking Pilate's (or whoever was in charge...) permission.

709 posted on 02/26/2004 9:48:40 PM PST by Ronzo (Check out my web site: www.theodicy.org)
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To: pax_et_bonum
On the cross Jesus was separated from God the Father. As someone who knows (Jesus), that is the definition of alone! He was the only human alive ever truly alone. Without that separation, Jesus could not finish His act of atonement for us.
710 posted on 02/26/2004 10:07:50 PM PST by xone
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To: PoisedWoman
Thanks for a sensitive review. I appreciate it. I don't think you're as "detached" as you pretend. ;)
711 posted on 02/26/2004 10:35:09 PM PST by beckett
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To: Aquinasfan
A friend told me that the "baby" had Pilate's face. I missed that.
712 posted on 02/27/2004 12:11:58 AM PST by TxBec (Tag! You're it!)
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To: gitmo
You and me together, gitmo.
713 posted on 02/27/2004 2:47:48 AM PST by Liz
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To: Liz
Saw the Passion last night with wife and friends. We are all of the above 50 crowd. Most of these folks have been loving on Jesus since they were children.

After reading some of these reviews, I expected far worse. However, that said, the film is violent, the Roman soldiers and the Temple guards are both cruel.

I only teared up once, that when Mary went ahead of the crowd to get near Him, and when He fell, she ran to comfort Him. Rather, it was Jesus that extended comfort to Mary, "I make all things new".

That is the total message of the Passion. The punishment that Jesus received was foretold by Isaiah in Chapter 53. Read it again, and it will come more alive.

Through the Victory on the Cross, God provided through Jesus an answer to all of our problems.

He was nailed through for our sins

He was crushed for our evil nature

He was punished to bring us peace.

He was whipped for our healing

In hindsight, I think Mel held back some. Physicians tell us about the agony of the Cruxificion, just to get the next breath. I did not see that.

But what I did see was the selfish nature of mankind, everyone looking out for their own personal interests; Peter with his denial, Pilate with his career, the high priests with their power and position, even Satan, with his influence on the line.

Read Psalms 22,

Read Isaiah 53

Read the account from the 4 Gospels.

Read the Book of John, the one that stood with Mary.

For the Jew, Jesus was the one Isaiah foretold.

For the Gentile, Jesus was the one that opened the door for the reast of mankind.

For believers, for New Testament folks, our lives began at the cross and are renewed by the Resurrection.

Praise God, He lives

714 posted on 02/27/2004 2:51:09 AM PST by Dustoff45
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To: Liz
You ok?
715 posted on 02/27/2004 2:53:10 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: Admin Moderator; Liz
Liz, IMO, has emerged as a leader and we would like her to continue her efforts with our help.

I agree with the AM's comments and would like to add that Liz has been a gracious and attentive, informed and thoughtful host of this passionate discussion.

Many thanks for your many graces, Liz. Blessed be the Lord our God who scatters His gifts abroad and weaves each one of them and each one of us into His great story.

716 posted on 02/27/2004 2:56:03 AM PST by .30Carbine
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To: Admin Moderator
I am in complete accord with whatever enhances the efficacy of the FR forum, and preserves FReepers ability to contribute to this important thread.
717 posted on 02/27/2004 3:00:54 AM PST by Liz
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To: TxBec
A friend told me that the "baby" had Pilate's face. I missed that.

Me too. That's a nice artistic flourish. There must be a lot that you miss in a single viewing. People are going to go back to see this movie again and again. I know I will.

718 posted on 02/27/2004 4:19:47 AM PST by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: Paradox
Thanks for the link. Great lyrics.
719 posted on 02/27/2004 4:52:35 AM PST by ought-six
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To: .30Carbine
(Blush), Thanks for your kind words.
720 posted on 02/27/2004 5:07:19 AM PST by Liz
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