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To: woofie
Imagine how this story would read if libertarians ruled:

Legalize drugs.
Legalize prostitution.
Legal age of consent is voided.
No gov't intervention in any activity.
No Judeo-Christian moral absolutes.
5 posted on 02/24/2004 11:14:58 AM PST by sully777 (Our descendants will be enslaved by political expediency and expenditure)
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To: sully777
I think prostitution is legal in nevada and proceeds in a business like manner and does not seem to be that bad.

Drugs however do alter the human mind and overwhelm the normal human emotional and moral state.

Prostitution is mind altering to a lesser degree and is a commercialization of a normal non commercial human activity which can not be said about mind altering drugs.
9 posted on 02/24/2004 11:21:38 AM PST by staytrue
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To: sully777
Consent of the girl was never obtained (not to mention that I favor there being an age of consent and protection of rights is a legitimate role of government, IMO).
12 posted on 02/24/2004 11:22:42 AM PST by Celtjew Libertarian (Shake Hands with the Serpent: Poetry by Charles Lipsig aka Celtjew http://books.lulu.com/lipsig)
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To: sully777
Imagine how this story would read if libertarians ruled: Legalize drugs. Legalize prostitution. Legal age of consent is voided. No gov't intervention in any activity. No Judeo-Christian moral absolutes.

Please get your facts straight before you make an ill-informed flame.

First off, if drugs were legal, the father would not have needed to prostitute his daughter to buy them. The drugs would be readily available and cheap.

Secondly, Legalize prostitition has no bearing on this. This girl was FORCED (ie. raped) and was not an adult. Which leads to point #3.

I'm unaware of any Libertarian who wants to see children sexually abused. This is just a flat out lie, intended so smear and degrade those who do not think as you do. A little knowlege about Libertarians may be benefitial to you. You apparently have a woefully poor information source on them. I'm also unaware of Libertarians who would give whiskey to 4 year olds. The bottom line is that mankind has for thousands of years managed to live their lives without the gov't dictating what you can eat, drink, smoke, chew; and how old you must be before you partake in these things. Libertarians want to take responsibility for themselves, not shirk responsibility by placing the burden on a gov't agency.

Get Gov't out of our lives is a mantra of just about all Republicans and Libertarians. This does not mean we are against police forces, medical services, roads, sewage, power and defense. Again, a little common sense and courtesy is expected.

What this monster did is inexcuseable, and I doubt you'll find any Republican, Conservative, Libertarian or any 'normal' person who would defend this type of behavior. By the same token, I doubt anyone else would accuse another group of defending this behavior without some basis.

19 posted on 02/24/2004 11:36:00 AM PST by Hodar (With Rights, comes Responsibilities. Don't assume one, without assuming the other.)
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To: sully777
No gov't intervention in any activity.

That is just false.

No Judeo-Christian moral absolutes.

We have that now?!?!

22 posted on 02/24/2004 11:43:27 AM PST by Phantom Lord (Distributor of Pain, Your Loss Becomes My Gain)
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To: sully777
Prostitution is sex and commerce. Which are you against?
24 posted on 02/24/2004 11:46:33 AM PST by Phantom Lord (Distributor of Pain, Your Loss Becomes My Gain)
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To: sully777
Imagine how this story would read if libertarians ruled:

Headline would have read, "15 year old girl shoots attempted rapists. Files lawsuite against father for violation of her sovereign Rights. Father killed during duel with a concerned bystander."

32 posted on 02/24/2004 12:27:21 PM PST by Dead Corpse (For an Evil Super Genius, you aren't too bright are you?)
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To: sully777
Don't take this the wrong way, but your post is eleven shades of stupid. It's not the dumbest thing I've ever read; but it's pretty close. I would suggest a trip to the library before your next dissertation on libertarianism. You'd appear much less stupid if you actually read up on the subject. About the only thing you got right in your post was the spelling.
44 posted on 02/24/2004 12:58:28 PM PST by Redcloak (¡LIBERE EL QUESO! ¡LIBERE EL QUESO! ¡LIBERE EL QUESO! ¡LIBERE EL QUESO! ¡LIBERE EL QUESO!)
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To: sully777
You wrote:
Imagine how this story would read if libertarians ruled:

Legalize drugs.
Legalize prostitution.
Legal age of consent is voided.
No gov't intervention in any activity.
No Judeo-Christian moral absolutes.
OK, well I'll go ahead and answer this: Legalize drugs.

Instead of needing $100 for his cocaine or heroin habit Junkie Dad can buy a weeks supply for $10 at the pharmacy, just like generic aspirin. He gets his $10 bucks recycling cans, like most winos today.

Legalize prostitution.
Mr. Freak Dealer, now in another line of work, goes to the local licensed brothel to have sex with a willing seller.

Legal age of consent is voided.
I've never heard this suggested by any libertarian think tank, the LP, or any candidate for Pres. running as a L. So this is a weak straw man. However, even so it is meaningless. The victim was not consenting, thus even if this were changed the act described would be rape.

No Judeo-Christian moral absolutes.
Again, not a part of any Libertarian platform I've ever seen. And again, what does it have to do with the story. I bet you $10 if you asked the three perps involved what their religion is they would all say "Christian". In Portland we are in the death penalty phase trial of a rapist / killer. His dad is a minister. Adherence to Judeo-Christian moral absolutes usually doesn't work for criminals, despite the fact that most of them claim to. Libertarianism is a political philosophy, not a religous ones. Libertarians strongly agree with many Judeo Christian absolutes such as "though shalt not kill" and "though shalt not steal". They would not agree with laws supporting "though shalt keep the sabath holy". I believe one can reasonably argue how much of a specific moral code should be turned into law in a secular republic without throwing laws against rape, kidnapping and murder out the window. I believe one can be a strong a Christian and a Libertarian at the same time, I know some.

In summary your characature is just that.

60 posted on 02/24/2004 3:05:03 PM PST by Jack Black
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To: sully777
You wrote:
Imagine how this story would read if libertarians ruled:

Legalize drugs.
Legalize prostitution.
Legal age of consent is voided.
No gov't intervention in any activity.
No Judeo-Christian moral absolutes.
OK, well I'll go ahead and answer this: Legalize drugs.

Instead of needing $100 for his cocaine or heroin habit Junkie Dad can buy a weeks supply for $10 at the pharmacy, just like generic aspirin. He gets his $10 bucks recycling cans, like most winos today.

Legalize prostitution.
Mr. Freak Dealer, now in another line of work, goes to the local licensed brothel to have sex with a willing seller.

Legal age of consent is voided.
I've never heard this suggested by any libertarian think tank, the LP, or any candidate for Pres. running as a L. So this is a weak straw man. However, even so it is meaningless. The victim was not consenting, thus even if this were changed the act described would be rape.

No Judeo-Christian moral absolutes.
Again, not a part of any Libertarian platform I've ever seen. And again, what does it have to do with the story. I bet you $10 if you asked the three perps involved what their religion is they would all say "Christian". In Portland we are in the death penalty phase trial of a rapist / killer. His dad is a minister. Adherence to Judeo-Christian moral absolutes usually doesn't work for criminals, despite the fact that most of them claim to. Libertarianism is a political philosophy, not a religous ones. Libertarians strongly agree with many Judeo Christian absolutes such as "though shalt not kill" and "though shalt not steal". They would not agree with laws supporting "though shalt keep the sabath holy". I believe one can reasonably argue how much of a specific moral code should be turned into law in a secular republic without throwing laws against rape, kidnapping and murder out the window. I believe one can be a strong a Christian and a Libertarian at the same time, I know some.

In summary your characature is just that.

61 posted on 02/24/2004 3:07:29 PM PST by Jack Black
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To: sully777
You wrote:
Imagine how this story would read if libertarians ruled:

Legalize drugs.
Legalize prostitution.
Legal age of consent is voided.
No gov't intervention in any activity.
No Judeo-Christian moral absolutes.
OK, well I'll go ahead and answer this: Legalize drugs.

Instead of needing $100 for his cocaine or heroin habit Junkie Dad can buy a weeks supply for $10 at the pharmacy, just like generic aspirin. He gets his $10 bucks recycling cans, like most winos today.

Legalize prostitution.
Mr. Freak Dealer, now in another line of work, goes to the local licensed brothel to have sex with a willing seller.

Legal age of consent is voided.
I've never heard this suggested by any libertarian think tank, the LP, or any candidate for Pres. running as a L. So this is a weak straw man. However, even so it is meaningless. The victim was not consenting, thus even if this were changed the act described would be rape.

No Judeo-Christian moral absolutes.
Again, not a part of any Libertarian platform I've ever seen. And again, what does it have to do with the story. I bet you $10 if you asked the three perps involved what their religion is they would all say "Christian". In Portland we are in the death penalty phase trial of a rapist / killer. His dad is a minister. Adherence to Judeo-Christian moral absolutes usually doesn't work for criminals, despite the fact that most of them claim to. Libertarianism is a political philosophy, not a religous ones. Libertarians strongly agree with many Judeo Christian absolutes such as "though shalt not kill" and "though shalt not steal". They would not agree with laws supporting "though shalt keep the sabath holy". I believe one can reasonably argue how much of a specific moral code should be turned into law in a secular republic without throwing laws against rape, kidnapping and murder out the window. I believe one can be a strong a Christian and a Libertarian at the same time, I know some.

In summary your characature is just that.

62 posted on 02/24/2004 3:07:33 PM PST by Jack Black
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To: sully777
LIBERALtarians are something to be ashamed of. They are the ultimate in selfishness. They clamor for moral anarchy and money is their god.
77 posted on 02/25/2004 7:26:56 AM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: sully777
This would still constitute kidnapping and rape not to mention other charges and should require the death penalty for all involved, including the father.
111 posted on 02/26/2004 7:04:16 AM PST by RipSawyer (Mercy on a pore boy lemme have a dollar bill!)
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