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Arnie, mayor still at odds over gay marriage
San Francisco Examiner ^ | 2/23/04 | Adriel Hampton

Posted on 02/23/2004 10:01:37 PM PST by I_Love_My_Husband

Arnie, mayor still at odds over gay marriage

By Adriel Hampton
Staff Writer
ahampton@examiner.com
Published on Monday, February 23, 2004

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Even as the wedding frenzy subsided for a weekend, the political war of words over San Francisco's same-sex nuptials escalated, with Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger and Mayor Gavin Newsom dueling on separate Sunday talk shows.

"Maybe the next thing is another city that hands out licenses for assault weapons. And someone else hands out licenses for selling drugs," Schwarzenegger said on NBC's "Meet the Press."

Later on CNN's "Late Edition," Newsom blasted back.

"It's not about AK-47s," he said. "It's not about these other hypotheticals. It's about human beings. It's about human dignity."

City Attorney Dennis Herrera's spokesman Matt Dorsey also downplayed the "municipal anarchy" analogy put forth by Schwarzenegger and other conservatives.

"Two separate courts have found that there is no harm in the issuance of marriage licenses to same-sex couples," he said. "Presumably, the court would have found harm if the city was handing out assault weapons."

The media duel came as City Hall has returned to a sort of normalcy, closed for the weekend and with same-sex weddings now subject to the same reservation policies that apply to heterosexual marriages under the dome. Court victories and time have dampened the initial crush of hundreds of couples lining up for licenses.

The City on Friday beat back the second suit seeking an immediate halt to the weddings and Superior Court Judge Ronald Quidachay combined two suits by conservative lobbies and a suit filed Thursday by San Francisco against the state.

More than 3,000 homosexual couples have wed since County Clerk Nancy Alfaro on Feb. 12 acted on Newsom's request and began issuing marriage licenses to couples regardless of gender. Newsom contends that equal protections statues in the State Constitution override Family Code specifying marriage as between a man and a woman.

The next hearing is scheduled for March 29, frustrating the Liberty Counsel, which is suing on behalf of the Campaign for California Families.

"While the city contends they are simply following one part of the constitution by issuing the same-sex licenses, the mayor has filed legal documents stating he is not bound by other parts of the state constitution that says he cannot refuse to enforce state laws," Liberty Counsel President Mathew Staver said Friday in a prepared statement.

With the legal battle unfolding in the courtroom, the culture clash over gay marriage has also swept up Bethany United Methodist Church, whose congregation includes a large number of gay and lesbian couples.

Rev. Dr. Karen Oliveto, the church's leader for more than a decade, has married eight same-sex couples from her congregation since San Francisco began issuing licenses. She faces disciplinary action for a Feb. 15 ceremony in the sanctuary.

Sunday, Oliveto and more than 100 Methodists from churches around the Bay Area gathered to support gay marriage in the context of Newsom's move to license them. They sang hymns, then most stood behind Oliveto as she defended her actions.

Congregant Bruce Pettit, an eight-year member of the church, said about 50 people attended an early morning meeting to discuss the issue and were "100 percent" supportive of their reverend's actions.

"They are concerned for her future and the future of this church," he said.

Oliveto faces a meeting with the local bishop in early March after a Methodist leader from outside her church filed a complaint last week.

Meanwhile, nearly 2,000 people gathered in downtown San Francisco for a celebration of the same-sex marriages, including that of Phyllis Lyon and Del Martin, an elderly lesbian couple who were the first to wed earlier this month.

At the celebration at the Hyatt, Assemblyman Mark Leno chided Schwarzenegger for telling NBC that there were riots in San Francisco, and said legal precedent in Hawaii, Vermont, Massachusetts and Alaska shows San Francisco should be victorious in court.

"For [Schwarzenegger] to put out that kind of misinformation to America is really very, very sad, it's horrible, and he should apologize to the entire city for doing just that," Leno said.

Leno said conservatives are intent to stop gay marriage because successful long-term gay and lesbian unions will undercut their arguments.

On NBC, Schwarzenegger called for a swift legal resolution to the issue, and painted a vivid picture of chaos in San Francisco.

"When I was in San Francisco for the Republican convention, all of a sudden we see riots and we see protests and we see people clashing," Schwarzenegger said. "The next thing we know is there are injured or there are dead people, and we don't want to have that."

In reality, several protesters have clashed with couples waiting to wed, and one tried to put a gay man under citizen's arrest for carrying out the weddings.

Staff Writer Ethan Fletcher contributed to this report.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: arnie; civilunion; gavinnewsom; homosexualagenda; marriage; prisoners; schwarzeneggar
Gay Marriage is Anarchy

1 posted on 02/23/2004 10:01:38 PM PST by I_Love_My_Husband
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To: little jeremiah; EdReform
   
Marriage is sacred.

2 posted on 02/23/2004 10:02:33 PM PST by I_Love_My_Husband (Borders, Language, Culture, Straights - now more than ever)
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To: I_Love_My_Husband
Bump


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3 posted on 02/23/2004 10:05:03 PM PST by EdReform (Support Free Republic - All donations are greatly appreciated. Thank you for your support!)
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To: I_Love_My_Husband
Ohhh a report written by the "unbiased" staff writers of the SF Examiner. How compelling. . . I mean how can they have an agenda when they live int he middle of the gayosity central.
4 posted on 02/23/2004 10:09:23 PM PST by Tempest (Sigh.. ....)
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To: Tempest
The mayor is being praised for taking a risk.

let me get this straight:

The mayor in a city where at least 1/2 the population is homosexual, a city where it is overwhelming socialist, a city where the counter culture still lives; is taking a "risk" by giving radical homosexuals what they want politically.

not a risk at all.
5 posted on 02/23/2004 11:00:01 PM PST by longtermmemmory (Vote!)
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To: I_Love_My_Husband
I haven't seen it posted, so here goes.
An old, ugly, male, homo couple has filed suit against L.A. for refusing them a marriage license.10 pm news channel 5
6 posted on 02/23/2004 11:03:58 PM PST by philetus (Keep doing what you always do and you'll keep getting what you always get)
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To: I_Love_My_Husband
"Two separate courts have found that there is no harm..."

There is a fundamental problem here in the US: There are people who know NOTHING about our system of laws. They courts are BS! CA voted on a LAW by the people. The courts have set themselves up as overlords and these people like Newsome go right along with it.

7 posted on 02/23/2004 11:27:00 PM PST by Clock King
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To: I_Love_My_Husband
The Mayor showed total disregard for the laws of the state ... they should kick his butt out of office
8 posted on 02/23/2004 11:28:59 PM PST by Mo1 (" Do you want a president who injects poison into his skull for vanity?")
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To: Clock King
No immediate harm for a preliminary injuction. The logic is that any damage can be undone. This is false if these people file taxes, this is flawed because these people will "rely" on these false licenses to ask for immigration visas, tax returns. Such reliance exposes citizens (use term very loosly) to criminal liability.

The judges are biased.
9 posted on 02/23/2004 11:50:19 PM PST by longtermmemmory (Vote!)
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To: longtermmemmory
Such reliance exposes citizens (use term very loosly) to criminal liability.

If there is someone who will prosecute them.

10 posted on 02/24/2004 12:45:57 AM PST by calcowgirl (No on Propositions 55, 56, 57, 58)
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To: *Homosexual Agenda; EdReform; scripter; GrandMoM; backhoe; Yehuda; Clint N. Suhks; saradippity; ...
Homosexual Agenda ping.

Let me know if you want on/off this ping list. It's been very busy of late.
11 posted on 02/24/2004 1:50:36 AM PST by little jeremiah (...men of intemperate minds can not be free. Their passions forge their fetters.)
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To: I_Love_My_Husband
More than 3,000 homosexual couples have wed since County Clerk Nancy Alfaro on Feb. 12 acted on Newsom's request and began issuing marriage licenses to couples regardless of gender.


12 posted on 02/24/2004 1:56:59 AM PST by Screaming_Gerbil (Let's Roll...)
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To: I_Love_My_Husband
Thank you for your tireless involvement, keeping us informed about the details of this important issue as it plays out in your state.
13 posted on 02/24/2004 3:53:14 AM PST by .30Carbine
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To: .30Carbine
You're welcome.

I knew this was coming. They do nothing but scream about their rights here. The truth is they get special "minority status" treatment here.

And elsewhere.

God help us all.
14 posted on 02/24/2004 6:34:00 AM PST by I_Love_My_Husband (Borders, Language, Culture, Straights - now more than ever)
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