[ancient_geezer]

A recurrent topic, that is as important now as it was in 1999.

John Linder in the House & Saxby Chambliss Senate, offer a comprehensive bill to kill all income and payroll taxes outright, and provide a IRS free replacement in the form of a pure consumption tax:

H.R.25
SPONSOR: Rep Linder, John (introduced 01/7/2003)
A bill to promote freedom, fairness, and economic opportunity by repealing the income tax and other taxes, abolishing the Internal Revenue Service, and enacting a national retail sales tax to be administered primarily by the States.

S.1493
Sponsor: Sen Chambliss, Saxby [GA] (introduced 7/30/2003)
Title: A bill to promote freedom, fairness, and economic opportunity by repealing the income tax and other taxes, abolishing the Internal Revenue Service, and enacting a national sales tax to be administered primarily by the States.

Refer: http://www.fairtax.org & http://www.salestax.org

So Ron Paul's amendment has a chance at enactment & ratification:

H.J.RES.15
Sponsor: Rep Paul, Ron [TX-14] (introduced 1/28/2003)
Title: Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States relative to abolishing personal income, estate, and gift taxes and prohibiting the United States Government from engaging in business in competition with its citizens.

(But modified to prohibit all income, payroll, gift estate taxes as HR25 calls for, or we will see European style hidden taxes along with payroll excises to take over in the place of the of the current individual income tax(i.e. personal income tax) that Ron Paul amendment prohibits.)

[ancient_geezer]

A Taxreform bump for you all.

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[WhiteyAppleseed]

At the birth of our nation, the people were ready to fight, without great debate, when Parliament levied a 20cent tax on any advertising done in newspapers.

How far we've come! We leave a birthright to our children that is nothing less than slavery on the installment plan. While our forefathers were no longer ready to suffer evils that were insufferable, we have tamely surrendered our wages to the convienence of a pay stub and work the equivalent of every fourth year without pay in servitude to government. Over the course of a working man's life, that amounts to more than a decade of slavery. It's high time to end the cancerous growth of government and free up our wealth to do with as we please--we may just have a better world for it.

[You Dirty Rats]

I agree it's as important now as in 1999 -- which is to say, not important at all.

No change any repeal of the 16th Amendment gets a floor vote in either house anytime soon, much less receive 2/3 of each house and 3/4 of the states to ratify.

Consumption taxes replacing income taxes would DRAMATICALLY shift the tax burden from those that make higher incomes to those who make lower incomes. Won't happen.

[fire_eye]

Repealing the 16th Amendment wouldn't kill the income tax.

No, but it would be a good start. We will never get the income tax repealed *without* repealing the 16th Amendment.

The Federal tax system is so entrenched that it will have to be dismantled piecemeal, and the cumulative mistakes which led to its creation, reversed incrementally. We can *start* by repealing the 16th Amendment.

Then, while the sodden, putrescent old crows (and bats) on the Supreme Crotch debate the implications of *that*, we can go about revamping the tax system one Socialist edifice at a time.

In the end, it should be possible (if necessary) to pass another Amendment, explicitly *disallowing* income taxes, so as to guard against any future formation of a Socialist tyranny of the sort to which we all now perform ritual sacrifice on April 15 (On your knees, scum!).

[Taxman]

Geezer,

Add thisun to your list:

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108th CONGRESS

1st Session

H. J. RES. 61
Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States to abolish the Federal income tax.

IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

June 24, 2003
Mr. SAM JOHNSON of Texas (for himself, Mr. CRANE, Mr. LINDER, Mr. TAUZIN, Mr. DOOLITTLE, and Mr. CULBERSON) introduced the following joint resolution; which was referred to the Committee on the Judiciary

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JOINT RESOLUTION
Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States to abolish the Federal income tax.


Resolved by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled (two-thirds of each House concurring therein), That the following article is proposed as an amendment to the Constitution of the United States, which shall be valid to all intents and purposes as part of the Constitution when ratified by the legislatures of three-fourths of the several States within seven years after the date of its submission for ratification:

`Article --

`Three years after the ratification of this article of amendment, the sixteenth article of amendment to the Constitution of the United States is repealed, and the Congress shall have no power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, except in time of war declared by the Congress.'

[phil_will1]

This is certainly an eye opening article. It seems that repealing the 16th isn't the safeguard against having both taxes that we had thought it would be. I guess we have a little further to go than we thought. At any rate, once we get the FairTax passed, it should be a lot easier to enact whatever safeguards we need to prevent this from happening.

[eyespysomething]

It's so nice to be represented in Congress. I'm in GA, and I believe all of our House members co-sponsered the bill by Linder.

How many years has he brought the bill up? 5? 6?

Its only a matter of time now. The tide is turning, and people has reached the breaking point of taxes.

[Paul C. Jesup]

This guy who wrote the article is a bold face lier, income tax was declared UNCONSTITUTIONAL. And it is debatable whether the 16th Amendment was ever properly ratified in Kansas.

[Destructor]

A valiant effort on the part of these statesmen, but it will never see the light of day. Most Americans are spineless, and would rather stick with the income tax, because they think they know what to expect from that system.

It's ironic to think that most Americans are the descendants of men who went to war over taxes in excess of 10%! We've come a long way!! /sarcasm