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| 2/23/03
| Diotima
Posted on 02/23/2004 4:18:08 AM PST by diotima
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To: Interesting Times
'Great work' BUMP!
181
posted on
02/23/2004 10:47:40 AM PST
by
Badray
(Make sure that the socialist in the White House has to fight a conservative Congress.)
To: redhead
"One of the things I was never able to understand about Fonda was why she was allowed to travel to Hanoi
while we were at war with that country. Isn't there a law against that for "common" citizens?"
Because Nixon let her.
And when she came back she was not proscuted.
Again, Nixon turned his back on the silent majority and catered to the radical minority.
Don't forget this was the same time period that Nixon went to China.
To: reagandemocrat
Ego te absolvo (I absolve you).
Go and sin no more.
183
posted on
02/23/2004 10:53:06 AM PST
by
BlackElk
(Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
It was not only Nixon but Congress as well. Politically, it was a non-starter. The US was drawing down its troop levels significantly with 1973 being the last year we had any significant presence in Vietnam.
184
posted on
02/23/2004 10:55:09 AM PST
by
kabar
To: BlackElk
Ciao!
185
posted on
02/23/2004 10:57:49 AM PST
by
Rebelbase
(The gravy train makes unscheduled stops.)
To: diotima
If the poster had read, "If you had been Confederate...", it would explain the rabidly anti-Yankee attitude of my Georgia in-laws whose parents had seen Sherman's troops come through.
To: Interesting Times
I am not looking to fight with you and I will leave the new site to those who will meet the standards of scrupulous accuracy towards which you are striving. If you succeed on that level, it will be a genuine service.
187
posted on
02/23/2004 10:58:11 AM PST
by
BlackElk
(Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
To: kabar
From the same link above:
Tom Hayden, cofounder of SDS and still a leader of the New Left, passed through Detroit in February, 1971, while Vietnam Veterans Against the War was staging its Winter Soldier Investigation (in fact he first met Jane Fonda, his future wife, there). He claims that until he listened to veterans speaking about their war experiences, it had never occurred to him that the United States might lose the war. In other words, before Winter Soldier, the war for him was chiefly a foreign-policy issue. Afterward, at least in part because of what the vets said there, he began to see more clearly that "losing a war is a state of mind." The major loss for individual soldiers, he learned, was not of the territory they were holding, but a loss of their own mental peace:
To: kabar
We were in Viet Nam starting in 1955.
Every President, Eishenhower, Kennedy, Johnson and Nixon, refused to fight that war to win.
I was over there under Johnson and Nixon.
There was no difference under either.
I took an oath, and I kept it no matter who was President.
Me and so many other countless others.
To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
me too
190
posted on
02/23/2004 11:02:44 AM PST
by
kabar
To: diotima
Excellent!!!!!
191
posted on
02/23/2004 11:07:19 AM PST
by
b4its2late
(Lord, If I can't be skinny, please let all my friends be fat.)
To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub; kabar
That really IS the point, isn't it? And it always will be. Thanks to both of you.
192
posted on
02/23/2004 11:09:38 AM PST
by
BlackElk
(Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
To: kabar
Welcome Home Brother
To: diotima
Should a man who falsely accused American troops of atrocities serve as Commander-in-Chief?
Sure |
13 (4.89%) |
No |
24 (9.02%) |
Hell, no
|
229 (86.09%) |
194
posted on
02/23/2004 11:12:28 AM PST
by
b4its2late
(Lord, If I can't be skinny, please let all my friends be fat.)
To: Stentor
My wife is very distantly related to Henry V and loves the play and particularly the speech (which BTW is published in full every year on Memorial Day by the New York Post as its sole editorial). My ancestors were various nationalities of decidedly non-royal Bowery elks.
195
posted on
02/23/2004 11:13:47 AM PST
by
BlackElk
(Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
To: BlackElk
Bookmarked.
196
posted on
02/23/2004 11:19:45 AM PST
by
TruthNtegrity
(I refuse to call candidates for President "Democratic" as they are NOT. Socialists, actually.))
To: BlackElk
I am not looking to fight with you and I will leave the new site to those who will meet the standards of scrupulous accuracy towards which you are striving. If you succeed on that level, it will be a genuine service. We'll do the best we can.
But don't leave the discussion -- it's light on large quadrupeds.
To: Victoria
Yep... that's at the heart of what the American Friends of Hanoi were working for, and eventually achieved.
We included the "losing a war is a state of mind" quote by Hayden on the WS.com quotes page.
To: Victoria
Afterward, at least in part because of what the vets said there, he began to see more clearly that "losing a war is a state of mind." The major loss for individual soldiers, he learned, was not of the territory they were holding, but a loss of their own mental peace:
Sounds like revisionist history. Hayden visited Hanoi in Dec 1965 for the first time. He was mainly responsible for the shift of the New Left from anti-war to pro-Hanoi. Far from being a foreign policy matter, Hayden wanted Hanoi to win. He was Fonda's Svengali. I also wonder where Hayden's insights were when he was posing with our POWs in Hanoi.
199
posted on
02/23/2004 11:33:19 AM PST
by
kabar
To: diotima
bttt
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