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An index of American decline
World Net Daily ^ | Feb. 23, 2004 | Patrick Buchanan

Posted on 02/23/2004 12:11:31 AM PST by ETERNAL WARMING

An index of American decline

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posted: February 23, 2004 1:00 a.m. Eastern

© 2004 Creators Syndicate, Inc.

Sen. John Edwards did not win Wisconsin, but he closed a huge gap with John Kerry with astonishing speed in the final week.

The issue propelling Edwards was jobs, the lost jobs under George Bush, and Edwards' attribution of blame for the losses on NAFTA and the trade deals for which John Kerry voted in Congress.

Edwards has plugged into an issue that could cost Bush his presidency. Indeed, Kerry's sudden conversion into fiery critic of trade deals for which he himself voted suggests that he senses not only his vulnerability on Super Tuesday, but his opportunity in the fall.

For a precise measure of what this issue is about, one can do no better than to consult Charles McMillion of MGB Services here. Each February, McMillion methodically pulls together from the Bureau of Labor Statistics his grim annual index of the decline and fall of the greatest industrial republic the world had ever seen.

Since Bush's inauguration, 2.8 million U.S. manufacturing jobs have simply vanished. By industry, the job losses are heaviest in computers, where 28 percent of all the manufacturing jobs that existed when Bush took office are gone, semiconductors where we have lost 37 percent, and communications equipment, where jobs losses have reached 39 percent in just three years.

One in three textile and apparel jobs has disappeared, and the losses continue to run at the rate of 100,000 jobs a year. This helps to explain Edwards' rout of Kerry in South Carolina.

With the markets soaring, the Bush recovery is being called a jobless recovery. Not so. We are creating millions of jobs overseas – even as we are destroying manufacturing jobs at a rate of 77,000 per month in the United States.

Consider. Last year, we bought $958 billion worth of foreign manufactures and our trade deficit in manufactures alone was over $400 billion, more than $1 billion a day. Millions of foreign workers now labor in plants that manufacture for America, doing jobs that used to be done by American workers.

Not so long ago, Detroit was the auto capital of the world and the United States was the first nation in the production of televisions.

Now we don't make televisions any more. And our trade deficits in cars, trucks, televisions, video cassette recorders, automatic data-processing equipment and office machines added up last year to $218 billion. We retain a trade surplus in airplanes and airplane parts, but, because of the competition from Airbus, that is shrinking.

After airplanes, our No. 1 export in terms of a trade surplus is ... soybeans. Corn is next, followed by wheat, animal feeds, cotton, meat, metal ore, scrap, gold, hides and skins, pulp and waste paper, cigarettes, mineral fuels, rice, printed materials, coal, tobacco, crude fertilizer and glass. Airplanes aside, the United States has the export profile of an agricultural colony.

Our largest trade deficit with any country is with China. It has rocketed from $22 billion in Clinton's first year to $124 billion last year. "The World's Most Unequal Trade Relationship" is how McMillion describes it.

What were our best-selling items to China, where we ran a $2.8 billion surplus? Oil seeds and soybeans. What was China's biggest selling items to us? Computers and electrical machinery and equipment, where Beijing ran surpluses at our expense of $50 billion.

There are bright spots, however, in the bleak jobs picture painted by McMillion. State and local governments added 600,000 workers in three years. Some 21.5 million of us now work for state, local and federal governments – one in six Americans, 7 million more workers than we have employed in all of manufacturing.

Perhaps this is what the Weekly Standard is bragging about when it celebrates Bush's "Big Government Conservatism."

To read these numbers is to understand the breach that has opened up in a conservative movement last united when Ronald Reagan went home to California.

To neoconservatives of the Wall Street Journal school, these trade numbers are yardsticks of their success at creating a Global Economy and measures of their triumph in championing NAFTA, the WTO and MFN for Beijing. To the Old Right, however, manufacturing was a critical component of American power, indispensable to our sovereignty and independence, and the access road for working Americans into the middle class.

Seeing the devastation of NAFTA and its progeny, sensing rising opportunity in the industrial Midwest, Democrats are jumping ship on free trade. Bush, if he does not temper his enthusiasm for these one-sided trade deals, may just go down with it. If he does, one prays he will at least ensure the neoconservatives have first been locked securely in the cargo hold.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: decline; immigrantlist; jobs; markets; patbuchanan
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To: Texasforever
>What else is new. PJB wants to help the rats again.

Bite your tongue, Bushbot.

Buchanan is a true American and a patriot who has the interests of America and its citizens at heart.

Which is a lot more than can be said for free-trading, gay-loving, soccer-mom courting liberal RINOs.
161 posted on 02/23/2004 9:44:17 AM PST by applemac_g4
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To: LowCountryJoe
Just look at society in America today to see that you can definitely have all walks of life on a stage and that globally it's just a bigger scale.

You appear to think that America will be running this new globalist world...I'm not that optimistic...Besides, look at all the perceived "mistakes" that were made in writing the constitution...Far too much power to the people...

162 posted on 02/23/2004 9:44:24 AM PST by Iscool
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To: Alberta's Child
The difference between these two numbers (and it is a huge difference, if you are honest about it) is what I call a "credibility gap" on this issue. In the midst of all the complaints about "corporate greed" in this country, we seem to have overlooked the fact that "consumer greed" is the single biggest factor in driving these jobs overseas.

I don't believe I've seen a truer nugget of wisdom on one of these "outsourced" threads, than what you've just written above.

163 posted on 02/23/2004 9:46:57 AM PST by LowCountryJoe (Shameless way to get you to view my FR homepage)
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To: LowCountryJoe
>Do you stick to your principles and decry [in my
>opinion wrongly] that outsourcing is bad for the Indian
>country's economy

You misunderstand.

At issue is not whether outsourcing is good or outsourcing is bad in the context of some globalist economic theory. The question is whether the outsourcing of American jobs to foreign countries is good for middle class Americans.

As far as the Indian economy goes, it is of no concern to me.
164 posted on 02/23/2004 9:50:47 AM PST by applemac_g4
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To: LowCountryJoe
Thank you kindly for your comment. It was a bit of inspired wisdom that I posted on another thread last week, and I got similar responses back then.

I'll add another item to it (another bit of inspiration that just hit me) . . .

In order for the U.S. to maintain a high standard of living at the same time we are increasingly uncompetitive in the global labor market, we end up employing ever-growing numbers of people in government agencies, law firms, regulatory bodies, consulting firms, etc. These all add to the cost of doing business in this country, but because the cost they add is several layers removed from the actual price of any given product, they are not readily apparent. As a result, Americans end up paying indirectly for a lot of things collectively (agricultural subsidies, OSHA compliance, "clean air," "clean water," "safe products," etc.) that they would have no interest in buying themselves if their real costs were apparent.

165 posted on 02/23/2004 9:59:15 AM PST by Alberta's Child (Alberta -- the TRUE North strong and free.)
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To: Robert Drobot
Instead of whining why don't you encourage your kids to learn Chinese? There are fortunes galore to be reaped for many decades to come. A business degree and fluency in Chinese would seem only prudent. But that's the furthest thing from your mind isn't it?

There were no fortunes to be made in Britain in the 1700s and 1800s so enterprising men went to India and Africa. Likewise those who colonised America. While you whine and complain ..... somebody else is getting filthy rich.
166 posted on 02/23/2004 10:05:36 AM PST by mercy
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To: applemac_g4
You're a Mac owner, I deduce from your alias. Does it bother you at all that you've purchased a product from a company that is owned by a flaming liberal and that you have directly lined his pockets so that he can make more contributions to the DNC?

Let's hope that the rest of us are using a computer that - although has a Microsoft operating system - was manufactured by a company without such a partisan hack as B-Jobs. I'm sure glad that you help Apple advertise it's product, lord knows, it needs the market share.

And what's up with this?:

...Which is a lot more than can be said for free-trading, gay-loving, soccer-mom courting liberal RINOs.

The gay name calling? Hey, it's doubtful many in here support gay issues, but damn, do you have to be such a homophobic? I hope that there's not some deeply rooted issue conflicting within you that needs to be worked out!

167 posted on 02/23/2004 10:08:11 AM PST by LowCountryJoe (Shameless way to get you to view my FR homepage)
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To: skip2myloo
Well, that's all great in theory -- but, the Chinese are not going to my same Sunday School class.

I'm not talking about the Chinese. I'm talking about me and thee. Greed begins at home. Destructive greed, greed for greed's sake, the pursuit of profit at all costs, even at the expense of one's brother or mother and the country one lives in, destroys everyone it touches as surely as any threat of socialism or communism.

Do you think its reasonable a UAW floor sweeper makes about $30/hour plus benefits - is that the way to keep jobs in America ??

Like I said, less greed all around would be a step in the right direction.

Maybe we should nationalize American industry, and the government can pass out workfare jobs the same way they do now in the public sector. I'm not being glib, some have offered that alternative as a workable alternative.

Again the false dilemma, raising the bogeyman of "government interference", the bugbear of globalist apologists everywhere. Well, of course, under other alternatives, there is no need for it. Try a little less greed. You'd be surprised how it helps cure what ails the sick soul.

168 posted on 02/23/2004 10:11:12 AM PST by chimera
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To: chimera
We don't disagree -- I just don't see a practical way to roll back his wage, and meanwhile build a better car, so Americans don't buy Hyundais and we keep jobs at home ??
169 posted on 02/23/2004 10:20:56 AM PST by skip2myloo
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To: skip2myloo
>For the sake of argument (I don't know the actual
>numbers) let's say the total annual cost
>(wages/benefits/training, etc.) of a seamtress in
>Taiwan is $20K and in America its $100K. Regardless
>of the name and nationality of the manufacturer, where
>do you think shirts are going to be stitched together ??

Let's be factual. The wage of a seamstress in the United States is around $50 for an 8 hour shift. The wage of a seamstress in Taiwan may be $5 for an 8 hour shift. If she's lucky. It's probably closer to $1 for an 8 hour shift. In an immoral "free trade" world, shirts will be made in Taiwan. My neighbor, who used to be a seamstress in the United States, will be unemployed and on AFDC. Every increasing portions of my upper middle class paycheck will disappear as the government seizes it to subsidize the wage of the clothing company executive. In a moral world, the government will put up radical barriers to the importation of goods from countries with radically different standards of living/currency valuations.

There can be no fair trade with slave labor countries. The problem is not when an American motorcycle rider buys a BMW and a German motorcycle rider buys a Harley-Davidson. The problem is when a Chinese slave, who couldn't afford to buy gasoline for either vehicle puts an American (or a German for that matter) out of work.

The problem with free trade is at heart a problem of disparate standards of living and exchange rates and no amount of philosophical justification on the part of its supporters can alter that cold hard fact.
170 posted on 02/23/2004 10:21:15 AM PST by applemac_g4
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To: chimera
Like I said, less greed all around would be a step in the right direction.

That's noble, but who gets to make that decision? Who should make that decision? One man's greed is another man's betterment. While I agree with your statement, Adam Smith already addressed its short sightedness when he wrote of the invisible hand in the market place.

171 posted on 02/23/2004 10:22:25 AM PST by LowCountryJoe (Shameless way to get you to view my FR homepage)
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To: skip2myloo
Nearly all trade with other countries is now negotiated through a global organization, the WTO. Is the WTO a governing body? It certainly is structured like one.

You are naive if you think Acme Cog can sell widgets without intervention. If there is a bi-lateral or multi-lateral trade agreement with Italy, and that agreement prohibts the sale of widgets in Italy, Acme Cog will not be allowed to sell there.

There is no real "free market" and there never will be. Every organization that is being implemented today in the name of "free trade", like OAS, CIS, ASEAN and the EU will see that it is always managed trade. All these organizations are also planned to become the regional governnments for their trade areas and they say so in their charters and websites.

Here is a statement from our "free trade" buddies, the Summit of the Americas. Remember our president spent 3 days with this group in January making policy statements and taking directives from them:

The WTO and the FTAA Negotiations: Some Distinctions

The multilateral trading system is one of the major achievements in the area of global governance of the 20th Century.
172 posted on 02/23/2004 10:22:49 AM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: Robert Drobot
Great post!
173 posted on 02/23/2004 10:24:06 AM PST by EagleMamaMT
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To: applemac_g4
In my example, the ratio was 1:5, but that doesn't really matter.

I stipulated the world is not a fair marketplace, especially when dealing with communist regimes exploiting prison labor and third world economies.

That's not fair - but, it's reality and we have to deal with it.

Other than changing the world, what's your practical, pragmatic, real-world solution ??

Become communists so we can compete with the Chinese on their own turf ??

BTW, where are Mac G4s manufactured these days ?? Somewhere in Asia, right ??

174 posted on 02/23/2004 10:28:53 AM PST by skip2myloo
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To: hedgetrimmer
"Nearly all trade with other countries is now negotiated through a global organization, the WTO."

I don't know what you mean by trade, but trade is not negotiated through the WTO.

WTO is an organization where trade regulations and practices are discussed and negotiated.

175 posted on 02/23/2004 10:32:52 AM PST by skip2myloo
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To: hedgetrimmer
You always want to bring up some agency. Is trade organized through the WTO? Yes, but do you think they endorsed and signed off on the steel tariffs that were slapped on imported steel two years ago? No way! But did we do this anyway? Yes. We still had the sovereignty to say "no". But you did notice that we were going to face retribution if we didn't lift the tariffs didn't you? What would you have done, gave them the finger and dealt with the consequences? Maybe we should move from protectionism to isolationism. That way, someone that you care about can have their manufacturing job back at what is today a good wage but tomorrow wont buy jack.
176 posted on 02/23/2004 10:36:21 AM PST by LowCountryJoe (Shameless way to get you to view my FR homepage)
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To: LowCountryJoe
That's noble, but who gets to make that decision? Who should make that decision?

Each of us as individuals. Real change begins there. Don't worry, I'm looking in the mirror...

One man's greed is another man's betterment.

Not if it destroys not only the one victimized, but the practitioner of unrestrained greed as well. Its like a cancer that consumes you from within. But unlike cancer, it can also destroy other individuals, and a people. That is the road we are now traveling, and I hope that enough of us crying in the wilderness (like FR) can pull us off of that ultimately self-destructive path.

177 posted on 02/23/2004 10:36:49 AM PST by chimera
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To: skip2myloo
We don't disagree -- I just don't see a practical way to roll back his wage, and meanwhile build a better car, so Americans don't buy Hyundais and we keep jobs at home ??

No question it may be a long-term deal to get people to change their attitudes. But we have to convince enough people, or perhaps fewer but those in a position to make a difference, that ruining the country and its citizens in pursuit of greater and greater "profits" is ultimately self-destructive. It's like a drug user who eventually ODs because he needs more drug, or the drunk who eventually drinks himself to death (and a nod to you, Nicholas Cage). Getting off the destructive treadmill is the key, but that takes the desire of the individual to do so.

On your Hyundai example, the last time I was in the new car market, most prices were very similar. I didn't see any $2000 KIAs or Hyundais, which might better reflect their actual production costs and so be reflected in the retail price. The consumer does not capture the economic benefits of reduced costs from offshoring until that filters down to the retail price. And that is set by what those doing the selling think those who are doing the buying will pay, and whether or not those buying are willing to pay that for what they think they're getting. Right now the companies think the consumer is willing to pay $19,000 instead of $2,000, so that's what the price is. And as long as they can sell a reasonable quantity at that price they will keep the price there. And where does the difference so? It isn't going to the consumer, and likely not to the foreign worker making $3/hr on the assembly line. So where does it end up? Well, take one good guess...

(Here's a hint: greed is involved.)

178 posted on 02/23/2004 10:46:12 AM PST by chimera
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To: skip2myloo
The government needs to quit tyeing the hands of businesses behind their backs.

It is not the government's duty to provide jobs - it is the government's duty to get out of the way of those who do.

Government regulations on small businesses are outrageous! I owned two Credit Bureaus and a Collection Agency and the "rules and regulations" almost made it impossible to do business. It never ceased to amaze me how a bunch of Washington Bureaucrats thought they knew what was best for our industry when they knew absolutely nothing about it. Every single time Congress was in session there would be more regulations coming our way. A large corporation made me an offer I couldn't refuse and I sold out. I've never regretted it one day since!

179 posted on 02/23/2004 10:53:41 AM PST by NRA2BFree (By working faithfully eight hours a day, you may eventually get to be a boss and work 12 hours a day)
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To: LowCountryJoe
You always want to bring up some agency.

The are pertinent to the discussion, thats why.

Many free traders seem to think that all this so-called free trade that is going on is done at the behest of the American people through their elected representatives.

But it isn't. Our trade with the rest of the world is being driven from external organizations, and that is a violation of our sovereignty. Our trade deals are being negotiated by an unelected "minister" Robert Zoellick. Our Constitution doesn't say anywhere that our government has "ministers" it says we are to have senators and representatives.Where did the the concept of a "minister" come from my friend?
180 posted on 02/23/2004 11:03:58 AM PST by hedgetrimmer
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