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Electoral College Breakdown, Installment Ten
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Posted on 02/22/2004 5:24:26 PM PST by Dales

Edited on 02/23/2004 3:48:05 AM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

Due to popular demand, I am going to revive my poll tracking and analysis that I did during the 2000 election season. I will be starting things a bit differently this year. Instead of starting off with a comprehensive overview of the entire nation, I am going to start by looking at five states at a time. For this tenth installment, the remaining states: Tennessee, New Hampshire, Wisconsin, Oklahoma, and the great state of Texas.


Tennessee
Electoral Votes: 11
2000 Result
Bush 51%
Gore 47%

Background: Carter against Ford, Clinton twice (both times needing help from Perot), and Johnson. Republicans generally have had success here since Truman.

Polling Data:

Date Polling Company Link Type MOE Republican Democrat
12/8/03 Mason-Dixon Link LV 4% Bush 52% Unnamed Democrat 37%
1/29/04 Mason-Dixon NA LV 5% Bush 47% Kerry 43%

Punditry: Kerry has enjoyed a nice bounce here, but the state still Leans for Bush.


New Hampshire
Electoral Votes: 4
2000 Result
Bush 48%
Gore 47%

Background: Clinton won twice here, and the second time would have been even without Perot. The first time, he likely would have lost. Johnson won here. Other than that, Republican wins back through Dewey beating Truman. The elder Bush crushed the man who Kerry was Lt. Governor for, Mike Dukakis.

Polling Data:

Date Polling Company Link Type MOE Republican Democrat
4/27/03 Franklin Pierce College Link 600 RV 4% Bush 42% Unnamed Democrat 42%
9/11/03 American Research Group Link RV 4% Bush 50% Unnamed Democrat 36%
10/16/03 Research 2000 Link RV 4% Bush 51% Kerry 39%
12/10/03 American Research Group NA RV 4% Bush 50% Unnamed Democrat 38%
10/16/03 Research 2000 Link RV 4% Bush 51% Kerry 39%
1/20/04 Associated Press Link 600 LV 4% Bush 55% Kerry 40%
2/20/04 University of New Hampshire Link 511 LV 4% Bush 38% Kerry 53%

Punditry: That last poll sure is different than the results all of the other polls done in the state have been showing. As such, I am treating it with extreme skepticism, especially since the American Research Group is really the poll to watch for NH (they are based there). Just to be cautious, I will designate New Hampshire a Slight Advantage for Bush, but if the next ARG poll shows the lead holding I will likely upgrade this rating.


Wisconsin
Electoral Votes: 10
2000 Result
Gore 47.83%
Bush 47.61%

Background: I got the *BLEEP* kicked out of me in Wisconsin. Oh wait, sorry. Stripes flashback. Reagan won here twice. Nixon won here three times. LBJ and Carter (against Ford) won here, and then the Democrats have taken the last four elections here. The first of Clinton's wins would have been a loss for him without Perot.

Polling Data:

Date Polling Company Link Type MOE Republican Democrat
5/03 Badger Poll Link LV 4% Bush 53% Unnamed Democrat 42%
10/28/03 Badger Poll Link LV 4% Bush 46% Unnamed Democrat 45%
1/27/04 Badger Poll Link LV 4% Bush 38% Unnamed Democrat 54%

Punditry: Quite a reversal in Bush's fortunes according to the polls here, especially considering it is the same polling company. Wisconsin is one of the states that is often considered a possible pickup for Bush this time, and his previous numbers show it is possible, but it will take quite a change from where things are right now, which is that the state Leans for the Democrats.


Oklahoma
Electoral Votes: 7
2000 Result
Bush 60%
Gore 38%

Background: Republicans have won every election here since LBJ.

Polling Data: None available.

Punditry: Sooner country has put away their Texas animous for Presidential candidates, and this remains Safe for Bush.


Texas
Electoral Votes: 34
2000 Result
Bush 58%
Gore 39%

Background: Carter and Humphrey won here, but Texas has become a very foreign land for the Democrat Presidential candidates.

Polling Data: None available.

Punditry: Texas is Safe for Bush. It is Bush country.


Summary Table
  Bush Democrat
  Safe Strong Lean Slight Tossup Slight Lean Strong Safe
  ND (3) CO (9) GA (15) NV (5) OR (7) NM (5) CA (55) NY (31) VT (3)
  AL (9) SC (8) NC (15) FL (27) WV (5) ME (4) WI (10) DE (3) MA (12)
  MT (3) KY (8) MO (11) NJ (15) - MI (17) - MD (10) DC (3)
  WY (3) KS (6) VA (13) NH (4) - PA (21) - WA (11) RI (4)
  UT (5) MS (6) OH (20) - - IA (7) - CT (7) HI (4)
  ID (4) SD (3) IN (11) - - MN (10) - IL (21) -
  AK (3) LA (9) AZ (10) - - - - - -
  NE (5) - AR (6) - - - - - -
  OK (7) - TN (11) - - - - - -
  TX (34) - - - - - - - -
Designation
Total:
76 49 112 51 12 64 65 83 26
Candidate
Total:
237 127 174


Next installment: A closer look at the battleground states, and updates to a few states that have new polls.

Historical election data are located at Dave Leip's invaluable website.

Installment One
Installment Two
Installment Three
Installment Four
Installment Five
Installment Six
Installment Seven
Installment Eight
Installment Nine


TOPICS: Extended News; Politics/Elections; US: New Hampshire; US: Oklahoma; US: Tennessee; US: Texas; US: Wisconsin
KEYWORDS: dales; ecb; electionpresident; electoralcollege; gwb2004
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To: raloxk
Good example would be the Condo Communists down in Florida that move from NYC to Boca Raton....and bring Bobby Wexler and Peter Deutsch with them.
41 posted on 02/22/2004 6:50:30 PM PST by Dan from Michigan ("You know it don't come easy, the road of the gypsy" - Iron Eagle)
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To: raloxk
Beasley was not one of the GOP candidate at that time...

Now he is, because he was the only one winning .....then too
42 posted on 02/22/2004 6:59:04 PM PST by KQQL (@)
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To: wylenetheconservative
I used Dales' table above to allocate the states.

There have been several posts that question his picks, but they are a good starting point for discussion.

43 posted on 02/22/2004 7:00:46 PM PST by SC Swamp Fox (Aim small, miss small.)
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To: Dales
One factor you haven't mentioned in your punditry: ticket strength.

New Hampshire, for example, will probably have the strongest GOP ticket in the nation, with Judd Gregg and Craig Benson joining Bush-Cheney at the top. Democrats have state Senator Burt Cohen for senate and no gubernatorial hopeful so far.

How important is ticket strength? That's . . . debatable.

Any opinions?

Other battleground states with stronger GOP tickets than Democrat: Ohio (Sen. Voinovich vs. Fingerhut), possibly Florida with Martinez/Cuban vote implications, Iowa (Sen. Grassley vs. Small), MISSOURI (Sen. Bond vs. Farmer, Blunt vs. Gov. Holden), Arizona (McCain), Georgia (senate nominee).

Battlegrounds with stronger Democrat tickets: Oregon (Sen. Wyden), Wisconsin (Sen. Feingold), Cali (Sen. Boxer vs. Jones - debatable), Nevada (Sen. Reid), Arkansas (Sen. Lincoln), Indiana (Sen. Bayh vs. Scott).

The other battleground states with neutral-ish tickets: NC, VA, NJ, WV, ME, MI, PA, MN, TN

44 posted on 02/22/2004 7:11:34 PM PST by JohnnyZ (People don't just bump into each other and have sex. This isn't Cinemax! -- Jerry)
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To: SC Swamp Fox
If Dales picked NJ for Bush, he was on drugs at the time.
45 posted on 02/22/2004 7:11:53 PM PST by Torie
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To: JohnnyZ
Coattails are largely history, and reverse coattails are well, whatever. The thought that local candidates will drive turnout in a way that will skew the presidential race is also problematical. I won't say it can't happen, but it is rare. I notice that I am still on your shit list. LOL.
46 posted on 02/22/2004 7:14:12 PM PST by Torie
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To: Dales
Great Work.

thinking cautiously.

Bush takes all the "safe, strong and lean" states.
Any way you look at it he needs Florida plus 6 EVs to win outright.
So if he takes Florida and either W.Va or Nevada @ 5 each.(reasonable).

Bush and Kerry tied at 269.
That sends it into the Republican house.
47 posted on 02/22/2004 7:14:46 PM PST by edwin hubble
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To: Torie
I notice that I am still on your shit list. LOL.

I do try not to hold being a moderate against you but sometimes you go over the line in your pronouncements regarding Christian conservatives, attacking them for being, well, Christian conservatives, instead of playing the happy RINO. Cheers.

48 posted on 02/22/2004 7:21:39 PM PST by JohnnyZ (People don't just bump into each other and have sex. This isn't Cinemax! -- Jerry)
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Electoral Vote Calculator

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http://www.americanresearchgroup.com/ev/
49 posted on 02/22/2004 7:23:49 PM PST by KQQL (@)
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To: Torie
Iowa will be in the Bush column by election day. Iowans just LOVE incumbents.
50 posted on 02/22/2004 7:25:32 PM PST by Irene Adler
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To: JohnnyZ; jwalsh07
you go over the line in your pronouncements regarding Christian conservatives, attacking them for being, well, Christian conservatives

My closest friend on this site is a self described Christian conservative (I'm a near atheist Wasp eclectic type, and admit it, but on balance, clearly right of center). Maybe he is oblivious to my vicious attacks, blinded by friendship. Or maybe you have it a bit wrong. Just a thought.

51 posted on 02/22/2004 7:26:26 PM PST by Torie
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To: Irene Adler
Yep, unless Iraq is really in play in a negative way. Iowans are terminally dovish. They hate violence. They are friendly, neighborly folks, and think that their neighborhoods should be the norm on the planet, if peace is just given a chance. The place is also almost devoid of miliary bases.
52 posted on 02/22/2004 7:28:52 PM PST by Torie
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To: Torie
To: SC Swamp Fox
If Dales picked NJ for Bush, he was on drugs at the time.

45 posted on 02/22/2004 7:11:53 PM PST by Torie




lol...
53 posted on 02/22/2004 7:34:47 PM PST by KQQL (@)
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To: Torie; Dales
If Dales picked NJ for Bush, he was on drugs at the time.

Well, he has NJ in the "slight GOP" category.

You could question his reasons for that...or just demand a urine sample.

I guess that might put you on his p*** list.

54 posted on 02/22/2004 7:36:43 PM PST by SC Swamp Fox (Aim small, miss small.)
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To: Torie
The public's increasing bias towards divided government means that reverse coattails are stronger now than coattails.

Am I the only person who remembers that Bush LOST five Senate seats for his party while capturing the WH from the other party?
55 posted on 02/22/2004 7:37:17 PM PST by jack gillis
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To: edwin hubble
LAUGH same thing came up on part nine.

The House doesn't vote by member, it votes by delegation, one vote each.

Evenly divided delegations means there may not be a a majority of 26 to be had.
56 posted on 02/22/2004 7:41:39 PM PST by jack gillis
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To: SC Swamp Fox; Dales
NJ appears to have suddenly popped up on Dales' spread sheet pursuant to some mysterious deus ex machina. I suspect it was some DU hack job.
57 posted on 02/22/2004 7:42:48 PM PST by Torie
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To: SC Swamp Fox
Missouri and Ohio must be defended. If he wins those, he probably wins. Period. We need GOTV efforts there.
58 posted on 02/22/2004 7:47:48 PM PST by Owen
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To: Torie
Or maybe you have it a bit wrong.

Most of the time I have no problem with you. But sometimes you lose it.

Regarding ticket strength, my opinion is that the effect is negligible in most cases, but that there is an advantage in certain cases, most notably New Hampshire and Missouri for the Republicans this time around. The two main advantages: turnout and PR.

Turnout: when a base is enthused, it is more likely to turn out in high numbers. While the presidential race is the prime driver of turnout, having strong, well-funded senate and gubernatorial candidates spend millions on their own, or coordinated, operations, can only help. A strong ticket will also increase enthusiasm for the ticket and increase self-motivated turnout. On the flip side, Democrats are in for a divisive primary in Missouri, and may end up with unpopular Governor One-Term-Bob Holden on the ticket. THAT can't be good for morale.

PR: When Bush shows up in New Hampshire, he gets to hang out with probably the two most popular elected officials in the state on the campaign trail. He has Judd Gregg saying "I agree with Bush, he has the right stuff, Kerry has opposed the things I've worked for in the senate, etc". That contributes to a favorable impression of Bush in voters' minds.

How much of an impact is it? 2.0%? 0.5%? 0.1%? Any of those three could be the difference between winning or losing a tossup state.

59 posted on 02/22/2004 7:50:05 PM PST by JohnnyZ (People don't just bump into each other and have sex. This isn't Cinemax! -- Jerry)
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To: Torie; JohnnyZ
Johnny, you're dreaming. Torie certainly hasn't found Jesus, in fact I doubt he's even looking but there's no way he's a Christian basher. He's respectful of others beliefs in a way that it would behoove many to be.

Now we don't see eye to eye on everything but we do on lots of things.

But when Torie talks about election analysis, the economy or the law he is on very solid footing. He's taught this Christian conservative a lot. Give him a chance, he's akin to lichens, he'll grow on your right side.

60 posted on 02/22/2004 7:53:26 PM PST by jwalsh07
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