Dearth Of Information About Christ's Crucifixion Makes It Impossible To Render Accurate Account

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[ffusco]

Flavius Josephus was a Jewish historian who lived circa 37-100 AD.

Christ was crucified around 30 or 33 AD. Josephus wasn't even born yet.

[aruanan]

...how historically reliable is Gibson's film, especially in matters of detail?

Probably not the snake.

[ffusco]

I saw a documentary a while back that presented the following argument against the S of T. If you take a sheet and drape it over your face and leave a print, when the sheet is laid flat the face wouldn't look like a face at all.

[AmishDude]

It's Christ's Shroud. Believe me on this. I know.

Whew! Thanks. It just goes to show: You can't take it with you, even if you manage to come back for it.

[AmishDude]

If you take a sheet and drape it over your face and leave a print, when the sheet is laid flat the face wouldn't look like a face at all.

Oh, I'll bet if I did that, it would look like Helen Thomas.

[ffusco]

Or jabba the Hut!

[afraidfortherepublic]

I saw a bumper sticker the other day that stuck in my mind -- 1 cross, 3 nails, 4 given.

[afraidfortherepublic]

Most of which was written almost a thousand years after his death....

If you are referring to the Gospels, the oldest dates to about 70 AD and the other three somewhat after that. It was probably written down as a record of the oral history told by the Apostles and other wittnesses to the Crucifixion. I think 1000 years is exagerating quite a bit.

[KriegerGeist]

"You are right, term HJ is used to discredit Christian theology"

Then there is also the "Jesus Seminar" Crowd that do pretty much the same. I see them on PBS. And NBC is going to use them tonight on a "special" two-hour Dateline NBC with Stoned Phillips about the "Last Days of Jesus" and ABC with Peter Jennings about the Apostle Paul. Look for the "Jesus Seminar" Biblical scholars (some with their collars) to make Jesus out to be more a political figure or some "cult figure" more than the anointed Son of God.

Also, do a Google on "The Jesus Seminar" to get an idea what this crowd is all about. The liberal media like to use them a lot.

Here are a couple goo sites:

Link to information on the Jesus Seminar

Link to Stand To Reason Org

[Chris Talk]

You are SO right, especially that awful apostate Dominic Crossan, what a louse.

For a real barfer, read his book WHO KILLED JESUS!

[MegaSilver]

Zias criticized "The Passion of The Christ" for accepting the standard version of three nails being used. He said experiments on cadavers carried out by the Catholic Church in the Middle Ages have shown that people hanging with nails through their hands will fall to the ground within a relatively short time, pulled by gravity.

Not if you nail them through the WRISTS, which was what they did during crucifixions.

[Quix]

Thanks for the alert!

[jnarcus]

Read the context of my response. It is in reagrds to Julius Ceasar not the Nazarene. One of the arguments for the historicity of Jesus is in fact that the stories of Him are so close in time to His existence. Julius on the other hand (contrary to a previous poster) is not mentioned by anyone until almost 1000 years after his rule. We do not have the actual books that Julius wrote only reference to them and quotation of them by other authors ( yes even his Gaul)...

[ffusco]

Julius was not mentioned by anyone until almost 1000 years after his death.

Pure BS. The First Citizen of Rome was celebrated for centuries after his death. Also please cite evidence that his writings were in fact not his.

[jnarcus]

I did not say that his writings were not his only that we have them thru secondary sources. I suspect you are not much versed in history to think that Julius is mentioned so early after his death. We have stories from later years of what was said before but not the current reports which you allude to

[ffusco]

Your premise that Julius was forgotten after his death is completely false.There are 2 months in the calander named after him. His life and times are well documented by his contemporaries and successors. The period where he was forgotten by history was limited to the 500 year period called the dark ages when people also forgot to bathe, read or write.

[jnarcus]

I never said he was forgotten....you have an interesting manner of putting words into my mouth...I shall now cease conversing with you