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"If Kerry's Vietnam stories are true, he should have been relieved of duty, not decorated."
1 posted on 02/20/2004 1:08:03 AM PST by Main Street
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To: dansangel
PING
2 posted on 02/20/2004 1:17:24 AM PST by .45MAN
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To: Main Street
Cross-link:

-John Kerry- some selected, informative links...--

3 posted on 02/20/2004 1:17:42 AM PST by backhoe (--30--)
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To: Main Street
bump for later
4 posted on 02/20/2004 1:28:31 AM PST by brbethke
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To: Main Street
Finally!!
5 posted on 02/20/2004 1:44:14 AM PST by YaYa123
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To: Main Street
major bump. 'bout time some of this stuff starting getting out. I've tried bringing the issue up about "liveshot's" three purple hearts with only 2 day of inactive duty and ALL the radio stations in Boston cut me off. Pretty gutless. Hopefully more will read these accounts and pay attention to them.
6 posted on 02/20/2004 1:55:41 AM PST by ConstitutionWally (principle over politics!)
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To: Main Street
Bravo, bravo! This will get discussed.
7 posted on 02/20/2004 2:34:28 AM PST by AmericaUnited
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To: Main Street
Finally, someone that knows and will speak about the situation that Kerry found himself in and saw it safe enough to get what he wanted, five medals and a way out of the war zone.
We must get this out to the general public so they know the character of John Kerry. Every move he makes is done the same way , for his own benefit.
Normally medals are not handed out in this manner.
8 posted on 02/20/2004 3:00:24 AM PST by depenzz
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To: Main Street
Here: Something's fishy

So, the guy has 3 PHs, 1 BS w/V, 1 SS. He was in country 4 months. Folks are suggesting this is fishy. My take is that Combat Kerry is "fishy", but trying to dissect his awards and decorations from VN is counter productive, here's why:

The 3 PHs, as Combat Kerry readily admits were each minor "wounds". They may very well have been scratches that did not even require stitches. It does not matter, PHs were handed out like aspirin in some units. 3 minor "wounds" in 4 months is no big deal. Any time someone in my platoon was treated by our medic (who was assigned to the platoon and went on missions w/us) they were eligible for a PH. They did not have to take it, they could ask doc not to submit the paperwork. But, if they wanted, they could get one. Scraping your arm diving for cover and you qualified, same as if you took a punji stake in the leg. Combat Kerry seems to have never passed an opportunity to collect a PH. A PH is only indicative of a combat wound, it does not, by itself, represent an award for valor or heroism. As someone said here on a different thread "if it bleeds, it is a PH".

The BSM w/V, This was awarded to Combat Kerry in the well publicized event where he pulled the SF guy out of the drink under enemy fire. Nothing "fishy" about this event or this award.

The SS,This award was made to Combat Kerry for the event where he beached his boat and went ashore and administered a "coup de grace" to an enemy combatant. There are some questions being raised about whether Combat Kerry acted properly and the condition of and threat posed by the combatant. There are also questions being asked about what Admiral Zumwalt may have said about Combat Kerry's behavior based on a third party's claimed quote by Admiral Zumwalt many years ago. But, the major questions associated with this event have been addressed and answered compellingly by the witnesses and individuals involved. In 1996 as part of Combat Kerry's response to a newspaper article that raised these very same questions, Combat gathered all the players and they all vouched for Combat Kerry and they all supported the specific details of the event and the award. Admiral Zumwalt was there (he is the officer who approved the SS) and he is quoted as having said he wanted to put Combat Kerry in for an even higher award, but it would have taken too long to get approved. The gunner Mr. Belodeau was there and supported Combat Kerry and even went so far as to say that previous articles had misquoted him regarding the condition of the enemy combatant. Nothing "fishy" about this award unless it can be proven that Combat, his drew, his commanding officer and Admiral Zumwalt were all in on it.

So, forget the PHs for the moment. What we really have is two separate events that have been well publicized and the witnesses and participants ALL are on the record supporting the details as reported. Two events in 4 months. I was a grunt in VN, so I don't know from Navy Swift boats, but 4 months is a long time and 2 events in 4 months is not a lot.

Regarding Combat Kerry's SS, it may be that lesser individuals (not politically connected) would have been reprimanded for beaching their boat. Combat Kerry may have been a "hot potatoe" to the Navy, because of his known connections. But it doesn't matter, the decision was made by the Navy commanders to award him the SS. Since all questions regarding this issue have been addressed and answered by the very people who witnessed the event and approved the award, there is nothing left to question on this award. Remember, these folks chose to come to Combat Kerry's side and stand shoulder to shoulder almost 30 years after this happened.

I don't think it is realistic to expect any vet organization to attack Combat Kerry on his awards. To do so would require an attack on each and every vet who participated in or witnessed these events. That ain't gonna happen, nor should it.

As frustrating as it may be, I think we should leave this alone.

9 posted on 02/20/2004 4:04:50 AM PST by There's millions of'em (John F. Kerry: a decorated VN war criminal.....)
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To: Britton J Wingfield
ping
10 posted on 02/20/2004 5:19:10 AM PST by cateizgr8
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To: Main Street
(2) He collected three Purple Hearts but has no limp..

The other day in a chat room I mentioned that Kerry's PAPER CUTS are going to be open to intense scrutiny....the lefties in the room freaked that I would so dishonor him by saying PAPER CUTS.... I think I hit a nerve....
13 posted on 02/20/2004 6:30:15 AM PST by alisasny (John Kerry is the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful human being I've ever known in my life.)
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