[DooDahhhh]

Homosexuality is not something you embrace. It is something that you are either born with or you are not. Learned this the hard way : ).

[Always Right]

Homosexuality is not something you embrace. It is something that you are either born with or you are not. Learned this the hard way : ).

Absolutely false. There are a lot of factors that determine sexuality, genetics at most contributes 25%, probably less. It is this lie that traps many people into this lifestyle. Anyone who has any thoughts about it is taught that they are homosexual, which is wrong. Many people are brought into this lifestyle as a result of abuse or rape and some because of a drunken horny state. Sexuality is way too complicated to blame homosexuality on genetics.

[lonerepubinma]

Homosexuality is not something you embrace. It is something that you are either born with or you are not. Learned this the hard way : ).

Tell that to Ellen DeGenres after Anne Heche left her to MARRY a MAN !!!

[shhrubbery!]

Homosexuality is not something you embrace. It is something that you are either born with or you are not. Learned this the hard way

You are repeating the dogma of the leftist gay-agendists.

They insist that homosexuality is something one is "born with," in order to equate homosexuality with race -- thus, forcing an extension of all anti-discrimation laws to apply to homosexuals.

I for one don't believe this dogma is true. There may be predisposing genetic factors in many cases, but genetics cannot be the only cause: There are many effeminate men and 'masculine' women who are heterosexuals.

I believe homosexuality is caused by a combination of factors, mostly psychological, none of which by themselves would necessarily result in that particular, er, bent.

[MrsEmmaPeel]

Homosexuality is not something you embrace. It is something that you are either born with or you are not. Learned this the hard way : ).

I don't believe this for one second.

Your argument about homosexuality is no different than the stale old arguments of yore that asserted women were intellectually inferior to men, and couldn't follow a logical discipline like mathematics.

A person is the result of their conditioning, belief systems and environment.

[scripter]

Homosexuality is not something you embrace. It is something that you are either born with or you are not.

What the evidence does support is the major factor in determining homosexuality is environment. The fact that thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle further supports the scientific studies.

The following is pulled from here:

...The following is just one of the many developmental pathways that can lead to homosexuality, but a common one. In reality, every person's "road" to sexual expression is individual, however many common lengths it may share with those of others.

(1) Our scenario starts with birth. The boy (for example) who one day may go on to struggle with homosexuality is born with certain features that are somewhat more common among homosexuals than in the population at large. Some of these traits might be inherited (genetic), while others might have been caused by the "intrauterine environment" (hormones). What this means is that a youngster without these traits will be somewhat less likely to become homosexual later than someone with them.

What are these traits? If we could identify them precisely, many of them would turn out to be gifts rather than "problems," for example a "sensitive" disposition, a strong creative drive, a keen aesthetic sense. Some of these, such as greater sensitivity, could be related to - or even the same as - physiological traits that also cause trouble, such as a greater-than-average anxiety response to any given stimulus.

No one knows with certainty just what these heritable characteristics are; at present we only have hints. Were we free to study homosexuality properly (uninfluenced by political agendas) we would certainly soon clarify these factors - just as we are doing in less contentious areas. In any case, there is absolutely no evidence whatsoever that the behavior "homosexuality" is itself directly inherited.

There are 11 additional references at the above link which I encourage everyone to read, as it's my opinion the above summarizes the homosexual factors quite well. At this time there are no scientific arguments against the above. Unfortunately we're labeled all kinds of things if we don't just tolerate homosexual behavior, but we're supposed to accept it as valid.

And that's ridiculous. Stop and think about it. Not just tolerate, but accept a behavior that results in severe health hazards. A behavior that can, and should be, changed. The madness must stop. The truth must be told.

[TaxRelief]

People are in all likelihood not "born" with homosexuality. Men may be born "effeminate", but they are not born desiring same sex relationships (or any sex relationships).

Sexuality is shaped by experiences and poor reactions to normal "stages". Identical twin studies, (the only studies that can test for innate characteristics), have proven overwhelmingly that homosexuality is generally NOT genetic. There may be a very small percentage of self-acclaimed homosexuals that are born "wired" for homosexuality, but these cases can certainly be viewed as extremely rare.

Be that as it may, that does not mean a child or maybe even a family is responsible for an upbringing outcome that results in homosexuality. Because of resistence by homosexual lobbies, in recent years studies to determine what goes wrong during childhood have been sharply curtailed or tainted. However, we do have some solid results.

* Schwartz MF & Masters WH The Masters and Johnson treatment program for dissatisfied homosexual men. Amer J Psychiatry 1984:141;173-81.
* Homosexuality and psychiatry, Psychiatric News, Feb. 7,1992, p.3.
* LeVay S A difference in hypothalamic structure between heterosexual and homosexual men. Science 1991;253:1034-1037.
*Bailey JM & Pillard RCA genetic study of mate sexual orientation. Arch Gen Psychiatry 1991;48: 1089-1996.
* Human sexual orientation: the biologic theories reappraised. Arch Gen Psychiatry 1993:50;228-239.
* King M & McDonald E Homosexuals who are twins: a study of 46 probands. Brit J Psychiatry 1992,160:407-419.
* Belt AP & Weinberg MS Homosexualities: A Study of Diversity Among Men and Women. New York: Simon & Schuster, 1978. /& Hammersmith SK Sexual Preference: Statistical Appendix. Bloomington: Indiana University Press, 1981.
* Cameron P, Cameron K. & Proctor K Effect of homosexuality upon public health and social order. Psychol Rpts, 1989,61,1167-79.
* Cameron P, Cameron K. & Proctor K. Homosexuals in the Armed Forces, Psychol Repts, 1988,62,211-219.
* Dixon, JK. The commencement of bisexual activity in swinging married women overage thirty. J Sex Research, 1984,20,71-98.
*1993, after Broude GJ & Greene SJ Cross cultural codes on twenty sexual attitudes and practices. Ethnology 1976;15;409-430.
* Gebhard P & Johnson AB The Kinsey data Philadelphia: Saunders, 1979.

An interesting point, when Kinsey asked 1700 homosexuals in the 1940s how they "got that way," only 9% claimed that they were "born gay." In 1970, a similar percentage was recorded for 979 gays in San Francisco. But in 1983, after the gay rights movement started their recruitment campaign that included the issue pushing the biological homosexual theory, 35% of a random sample of 147 gays said that they were "born that way". Currently, push polls will show as many as 85% saying that they were "born that way".

As with all conditions that are out of the norm, it is more comfortable and less work to believe that the causes are innate and inalterable. It releases the "victim" of the need to use willpower or the pressure associated with accepting responsibility.

[Protagoras]

Homosexuality Pedophilia is not something you embrace. It is something that you are either born with or you are not. Learned this the hard way : ).

Edited for clarity.

[ffusco]

Perhaps not in every case. Behavior can be learned.

[lentulusgracchus]

It is something that you are either born with or you are not.

Not always. Gays brag among themselves, when they think nobody else is around, about turning boys out. They brag that they can make a boy gay whether he was born that way or not.

But then you knew that when you posted up.

[doberville]

Sorry.

My background/experience is medical and I don't believe this, just as I don't believe there is a GAY gene.