(Maine)House kills same-sex marriage initiative

MaineToday.com ^ | Wednesday, February 18, 2004 4PM | from staff and wire reports

[fight_truth_decay]

AUGUSTA — The Maine House of Representatives on Wednesday killed a proposal that would require the Legislature's Judiciary Committee to develop a constitutional amendment defining marriage as being between a man and a woman.

The sponsor of the joint order, Republican Rep. Brian Duprey of Hampden, warned against the possibility of "any activist judge trying to legislate from the bench" and suggested that an existing Maine statute that speaks to the issue of marriage should be bolstered.

The House, voting 73-63, declined to go along, eliminating the need for Senate action.

The House chairman of the Judiciary Committee, Democratic Rep. William Norbert of Portland, argued against the joint order, saying the panel already was "plenty busy these days."

The state's Defense of Marriage Act defines marriage as a union between a man and woman and forbids the recognition of same-sex marriages performed in other states.

[fight_truth_decay]

More: 9:15 pmhttp://news.mainetoday.com/apwire/D80PQF480-48.shtml

Michael Heath, executive director of the Christian Civic League of Maine, said prior to the House vote he backs Duprey´s proposal as a way to ensure that same-sex marriages are not recognized in the state. He said an amendment would create a much higher legal standard.

Betsy Smith, executive director of the Maine Lesbian Gay Political Alliance, said Duprey´s proposal did not surprise her because 20 states are looking at amendments or Defense of Marriage acts.

"We are cautiously optimistic this Legislature would not overnight make a decision to have the Judiciary Committee write discrimination into the constitution," Smith said before the vote.

[Unam Sanctam]

I'm sure some people who reject Constitutional amendments (required at both state and federal levels since activist judges are present at both levels) are legitimately for same sex marriage, but I think there are other "useful idiots" who are just blind to the dangers or who with wishful thinking don't want to take any strong stand in hopes that everything will all just wash over.

[concerned about politics]

The mental institutions should never have let them out in 1973. They're still a danger to society.
It's been only 31 years, and now they demand to control our entire culture.
People have forgotten via victim hood propaganda that they're a small handful of sexually dysfunctional mental patients. Many have been deceived.
It all started with "tolerance." One we gave them that, it was it was enough to send them completely over the edge.

[concerned about politics]

don't want to take any strong stand in hopes that everything will all just wash over.

It's time to take back our "tolerance."
The deal is off! They've taken advantage of our kindness.

[lilylangtree]

People are recognizing nationwide & including SCOTUS that judges have moved from the jobs interpreting the law to making the law. As a nation, we need to rein in those liberal leftist judges.

[concerned about politics]

PS.......Homosexuals were still listed as mentally insane until 1980. That's when psychiatrist learned they could make a bundle off liberalism, and freed them. They've gotten rich off the fallen ever since. Ching ching $$.

[little jeremiah]

Homosexual Agenda Ping. The madness never stops.

People need to wake and realize this is not all "going to go away". Those of us who are awake need to ACT.

Put your ideas out there on this thread:

"What We Can Do to Defeat the Homosexual Agenda"

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1076476/posts

Let me know if anyone wants on or off this ping list. (It's been very busy lately. The homosexual activists and their handmaidens have been busy little fellows lately.)

[sfRummygirl]

I have to think about this. I am in the belly of the beast. I'm sure I could come up with something specific.....

I just think we, (conservatives----especially Christian conservatives), need to get our voices heard. The local talk radio I hear is filled with people calling up and saying that 'the world is finally coming around', and that the world is evolving. I think the main thing is we have to show the world we are not 'homophobic', as in scared of homosexuals. The libs are equating people being against this as being clueless and phobic.
You know what folks? I think we should march. Maybe?

[little jeremiah]

I have stated that the reason the homo-activists (and other assorted moral relativists) have gotten this far is because those of us who do believe in God and His laws have acted like scared little rabbits and mice, too afraid that someone will call us names like "hater" and "bigot" and the dreaded "homophobe"! We want everyone to "like" us. Well, they won't like us.

The analogy to Islamic terrorists is striking, at least in some ways. Leftists and homo-activists and atheists will NEVER like those who believe in God - Christian, Jew or anyone of any monotheist religion. I have personally experienced this and I am sure you have too.

We need to pray, and then kick **s!

And I mean that in a nice, loving way.

[Paleo Conservative]

I just think we, (conservatives----especially Christian conservatives), need to get our voices heard.

Yes, but they need to arguments that can appeal the mainstream not just to other Christian conservatives. While making arguments that refer to scripture may persuade other Christian conservatives, they probably won't persuade many more secular people. They need to appeal to common sense and the practical problems that "gay marriage" would cause.

[concerned about politics]

another victory for my gay and lesbian brothers and sisters. I will fight alongside them until they are free.

GOOD NEWS ( besides saving money on my car insurance by switching to Gieko ) :
Faulty forms to void same-sex marriages? (CA won't honor forms)
Soooo funny!!!

[sfRummygirl]

I know exactly what you mean. I actually am just stepping my little toe into the water on this myself. I am still afraid to say what I feel, even if it's in a rational, non-agressive way, in certain areas around here.(SF). I have already had people give me crap just for being Christian.
We do need to kick a$$, in the sense of standing up for this.

[concerned about politics]

They need to appeal to common sense and the practical problems that "gay marriage" would cause.

Or just remind them homosexuality is just another dysfunctional sex fetish. That should bring back their memory easily enough. All those years of victim hood propaganda - wasted!

[sfRummygirl]

Yes, you are right. While starting people out in a small amount of scripture would be good, it will fall on deaf ears if not presented well.
I actually like the idea that I mentioned (I think on the other thread), of showing people that homosexuality if many times the reaction to a abusive/neglectful parent. Most people are aware of good mental health, at least in the sense of conventional therapy. While many therapists are very liberal in this area, some are not.

[sfRummygirl]

What happened on the two deleted posts?

[concerned about politics]

What happened on the two deleted posts?

It must have been one of those homosexuals let out of the asylum in 1973. (See #13)

[sfRummygirl]

oh. Who was the poster?

[little jeremiah]

Here's something I just posted on another thread, it's a link to a website that has a lot of pro-family resources, with books and materials that help with rational, logical arguments against the homosexual propaganda without having to use religious arguments, for people that can't hear yet.

****Check out some books on this website, if you want to read more. Lively has put together some really good materials that help you to talk to people from their level. Of course, we all know what scripture says about homosexual acts (and not just the Bible, but all Judaic literature like the Talmud, and Hindu scripture, and even Buddhist teachings) but to people who don't have strong faith in God (or none) just scriptural quotes won't help them.

Lively has very, very good materials and actually tomorrow I'm going to type up and post a letter he's sent out. He and his law partner are one of the two legal entities fighting the "gay" marriage in SF.

Anyway, here's the link to his website:

http://www.defendthefamily.com/pfrc/showproducts.php

This is just one page of the books they have available. For a great read, get "The Pink Swastika" - I couldn't put it down.

Here's a sample of some titles:

Defeating "Gay" Arguments With Simple Logic
Easy-to-use guidelines for winning the homosexual debate by exposing the hidden false assumptions and deceptive rhetoric of "gay" arguments.


Seven Steps To Recruit-Proof Your Child
A concise, practical guidebook for parents who wish to protect their children from pro-homoesxual indoctrination and the possibility of recruitment into the homosexual lifestyle.

The Pink Swastika: 4th Edition
The Pink Swastika is a thoroughly researched, eminently readable, demolition of the "gay" myth, symbolized by the pink triangle, that the Nazis were anti-homosexual.

The Poisoned Stream
Traces the "poisoned stream" of homosexual influences throughout history, particularly in Germany between 1890 and 1945.

Why and How To Defeat the 'Gay' Movement
A straightforward non-sectarian approach for rolling back the "gay" agenda...****

You might also want to check this thread, it's all about ideas of what people can do to defeat the homosexual "rights" onslaught:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1076476/posts