Hardly, that fact was PART of my unfounded rant. It just so happens to be the same old (R)nold supporters that keep going too. This recall fight is still going and its wrong, on both sides.
I replied in KIND and you use it as an example of me being nasty?
Hold it now, you aren't listening or I'm just not being clear enough;That wasn't what I was critical of as being nasty at all. Its perfectly acceptable to say you aren't going to hold you breath hoping someone figures out something you are pointing out to them. I'd even go so far as to say that its understandable for you to be nasty to the Tombots who are nasty to you, what is not is when you claim that nastiness is wrong--after being nasty yourself. What I called "nasty" was when you compared Tombots to vicous DU posters, accusing them of being like Democrats. You know full well that isn't nice to those that would be reading FR who hate the DUmmies, those are fighting words to a conservative.
That would be ridiculous since most of them are terrific folks with fantastic values and are a joy to work with on this side of the political fence.
Fantastic. Realizing that, you have to be the grownup and not continue this pointless, futile, counterproductive fight against the Tombots. While you may be able to distinguish between the minority of them that are nasty vs the rest that you like...EVERY supporter of his is offended when you go after them. Don't forget, the war is over, this thread doesn't even mention the Gov in anyway, but the nastiness...from both sides has gone so over the edge that you and Tempest feel compelled to post on it, fighting the last war like an old general.
I understand many of them have sour grapes about losing the recall, but you have to see it from their perspective, every bad thing that happens to CA they feel more frustrated. You were right when you said that the "I told you so's" come from them, that is how I meant to say it. That's precisely what you have to ignore. They are going to be saying that about the Gov if he raises taxes, if he can't come up with a way to resolve the Gay thing, if the borders aren't addressed. They'll crow, but you have to let it go, its better that way. I know that sucks because you honestly believe in him and want him to be respected, but you are going to have to be bigger about this for the overall good. The so called Tombots are people of principle, by in large, uncompromising in fact. I totally reject the quote "conservative" enquote labeling, they could be called too conservative because they don't make concessions. You'll NEVER get them to accept those issues, just as you won't get them to accept that they are too vicious, and you don't want them to. You have to let them vent about such topics, that is how we conservatives get our politicians to act on our behalf, not excusing everything they do-then they take us for granted. Its healthy that the Tombots attack the Gov, when appropriate, its not going to threaten his power no matter HOW vicious it were to ever get on FR.
What is not healthy is the way this has gotten so embittered that those who believed that compromising with the Republican who can win vs the one they agree with drives everyone to endlessly attack eachother whenever an actual conservative issue comes up. We're never going to get anywhere with the way we've handled this thing Tam. I'll tell you the truth, I've given up. I poke around the local news and here now and again, but for the most part I have no hope for the CA GOP long term and am bored with FR. We're polarized because of this, which the ones who want to win with Arnold actually ATTACKING the conservative issues the McClintock campaign centered around because of old scores, this is a tragedy because we agree on the issues, but we can't anymore because of pride.
The point is, unless both sides can get past their bitterness, unless we can understand we have to stop needlessly dividing ourselves, CA conservatism is absolutely doomed.
If someone is attacked first for any reason, they have the right to slam back. When I talk about "nasty" posters and freepers acting like "Democrats", I'm referring to the same handful of juveniles making vicious sweeping statements against "Rhinold" supporters or the thousand variations of this. The attacks from some freepers against Schwarzenegger or the people who supported him as the most rightward candidate haven't stopped for a SECOND.
Yes, it's a tragedy for the CA GOP on several levels. I won't get into that, however, it would be jumping from the frying pan into the fire ;-) It does seem, however, that many of these same individuals would be more than happy to see the GOP fail entirely if it meant that a third party would gain strength from it way down the road. That's not a partner in politics, THAT is an opponent. We have people on both the RIGHT and the LEFT rooting for Arnold to fail in a spectacular manner... sorry, but something is really wrong with that picture.