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To: Captain Rhino
A follow-on piece says the PLAN doesn't intend to form dedicated air groups for these carriers, instead drawing on existing aircrews. For some years they've had pilots practice on mock flight decks.

I'm more worried about the simple fact they're now able to build larger warships at a faster pace. With all the shipbuilding technology they're getting from South Korea & Japan & the electronic expertise they're getting from all their advanced trading partners, along with the huge expansion of their maritime facilities, they could conceivably acquire the world's second-biggest navy by 2020.

But hey, Japan won't stand idly by & should keep a qualitative edge at least another decade. The western Pacific is looking to get rather interesting.
22 posted on 02/18/2004 2:06:54 PM PST by Filibuster_60
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To: Filibuster_60
With all the shipbuilding technology they're getting from South Korea & Japan & the electronic expertise they're getting from all their advanced trading partners, along with the huge expansion of their maritime facilities, they could conceivably acquire the world's second-biggest navy by 2020.

Ivan did the same thing. Fat lotta good it did him.

24 posted on 02/18/2004 2:12:06 PM PST by Poohbah ("Would you mind not shooting at the thermonuclear weapons?" -- Maj. Vic Deakins, USAF)
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To: Filibuster_60
Isn't Japan building their first (loosely termed) aircraft carriers since '45?
36 posted on 02/18/2004 3:23:34 PM PST by skeeter
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To: Filibuster_60
>>A follow-on piece says the PLAN doesn't intend to form dedicated air groups for these carriers, instead drawing on existing aircrews. For some years they've had pilots practice on mock flight decks.<<

I am not a naval aviator or NFO myself (did my time in the Marines) but I work professionally with a number of them and based on the discussions I've had with them about flight operations aboard ship, there is a qualitative difference in the demands of flying onto and off of a carrier when compared to flying from a mock deck on land. When not engaged in actual operations, flight operations aboard the big decks (and even the amphibs)are largely driven by the need to keep the aircrews current in their qualifications (which are extensive and expire frequently). But you probably know this, so I will just note that it is time consuming and expensive to create and maintain the necessary skill sets in these aircrews. The PLAN will probably end up creating de facto air groups (even if they are putatively land-based) simply because of the expense of the alternative - train every fighter and attack pilot to carrier standards.

>>I'm more worried about the simple fact they're now able to build larger warships at a faster pace. With all the shipbuilding technology they're getting from South Korea & Japan & the electronic expertise they're getting from all their advanced trading partners, along with the huge expansion of their maritime facilities, they could conceivably acquire the world's second-biggest navy by 2020.<<

Big navies require big $$ to operate and maintain. The expense is only justified if they have regional or global power projection requirements. Building alot of modern ships that sit pierside with undertrained crews does not create naval power. An analogy is owning a high performance car but rarely operating it. It is expensive eye candy until you begin to operate it alot and really learn the machine's and the operator's strengths and weaknesses. So the question is: what will the Chinese do will this big shiny Navy once it starts coming off of the ways? I would look at changes in their naval doctrine and at how extensive their fleet operations (deployments and large scale exercises) are. These will be indicators of how seriously committed they are to really expanding their seaward reach. Of course, unsaid in this conversation is the effect of three Chinese carriers supporting a PLAN move against Taiwan and the effect of their presence on our response when we come to Taiwa's aid. (At least I think we would come to the aid...)

>>But hey, Japan won't stand idly by & should keep a qualitative edge at least another decade. The western Pacific is looking to get rather interesting.<<

I agree. As dependent as they are on maritime commerce for practically everything, the Japanese will not cede control of their sea lines of communication to the Chinese. I think they are already feeling alittle uncomfortable with the Chinese launching a taikonaut (sp?) last year and announcing plans to go to the Moon. They are going to be playing catch-up now. Their recently announced intention to conduct manned space operations and the deployment of Japanese troops to Iraq (despite intense opposition at home) are early indicators of a building will to shift the focus of their military posture. But to what?
43 posted on 02/18/2004 3:52:03 PM PST by Captain Rhino (If you will just abandon logic, these things will make alot more sense to you!)
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To: Filibuster_60
What's Japan going to do? Bomb its own Toyota, Sony, Hitachi, Panasonic, etc. factories that are popping up all over China? Japanese fear China economically more than Americans, yet Japanese are re-locating factories to China faster than anybody else, because capitalism is capitalism and Japan's competitiveness and Japan's vitality as a nation will suffer if Japan's factories don't move to China. Once China's economy grows as big as America's in 2-3 decades and twice as big in 4-6 decades, anybody who attacks the world's biggest economy will end up hurting their own economy more than China's. More than half of America's and Japan's entire stock market values and retirement funds will derive from their companies' business activities in China, and attacking China will be the best way for them to shoot themselves and their own people in the foot.
69 posted on 02/20/2004 10:05:57 AM PST by taiwansemi
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